From terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au Mon Sep 15 21:15:06 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.programming,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.freeware
Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
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Message-ID: <874382771.11277@isc.org>
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Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:06:12 GMT
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered by the payment of a fee to
the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution
of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened.
Although other types of software are also distributed over the
Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial
demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is
available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Crossposting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.
When robomoderation is in use, the human moderator may
retroactively cancel errant postings.  Details of the robomoderation
algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request
to the administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide
one-off announcments of new shareware products.  Crossposting between
this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is
strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: ccsa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: ccsa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.
When robomoderation is in use, the human moderator may
retroactively cancel errant postings.  Details of the robomoderation
algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request
to the administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: ccsan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: ccsan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, subject to retroactive cancellation by the human
moderator, and so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in
use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative
contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.software,
  comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>

From terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au Mon Sep 29 23:45:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.programming,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.freeware
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.software.shareware.*
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <875601165.10631@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:32:45 GMT
Lines: 239
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:817

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

CHANGES from previous RFD:

References to retromoderation of the proposed newsgroups has been
omitted.  Reference to details of the robomoderation algorithms being
supplied on request has been omitted.  The word "usually" has been
added to the rationale in acknowledgment that some forms of shareware
require payment other than in money.  The charters have been amended
to clarify the circumstances in which freeware and public domain
software may be discussed in the proposed newsgroups.

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a
fee to the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of
distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet
has widened.  Although other types of software are also distributed
over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and
commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more
shareware is available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: ccsa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: ccsa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Announcements relating to other forms of software such as
freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this
newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: ccsan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: ccsan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
  comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>

From jjd@primenet.com Mon Oct 20 12:30:13 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>
Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: CFV: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <877375527.4932@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 11 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:25:28 GMT
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a
fee to the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of
distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet
has widened.  Although other types of software are also distributed
over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and
commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more
shareware is available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Announcements relating to other forms of software such as
freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this
newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provde your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < jjd@primenet.com >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
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======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: comp.software.shareware.announce
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <CSSA-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.announce
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.authors
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.users

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.


This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970324

From jjd@primenet.com Thu Oct 30 22:45:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>
Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <878280122.17308@isc.org>
Supersedes: <877375527.4932@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 11 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:42:03 GMT
Lines: 284
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:905

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a
fee to the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of
distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet
has widened.  Although other types of software are also distributed
over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and
commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more
shareware is available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Announcements relating to other forms of software such as
freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this
newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provde your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < jjd@primenet.com >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: comp.software.shareware.announce
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <CSSA-0002> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.announce
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.authors
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.users

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.


This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970324


comp.software.shareware.* moderated Bounce List - No need to revote
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
deb@nospam.tink.com
donmoe@ix.netcom.nospam.com                                            Don Moe
irina@rempt.xs2all.nl                                              Irina Rempt

From jjd@primenet.com Wed Nov 12 20:30:05 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: RESULT: comp.software.shareware.* moderated all groups fail
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <879395156.10892@isc.org>
Supersedes: <878280122.17308@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:25:58 GMT
Lines: 369
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:944

                                RESULT
    moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce fails 119:27
     moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors fails 108:30
      moderated group comp.software.shareware.users fails 110:32

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
groups may not be voted on again for six months.

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a
fee to the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of
distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet
has widened.  Although other types of software are also distributed
over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and
commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more
shareware is available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Announcements relating to other forms of software such as
freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this
newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

comp.software.shareware.* moderated Final Vote Ack


                                          comp.software.shareware.users -----+
                                        comp.software.shareware.authors ----+|
                                       comp.software.shareware.announce ---+||
                                                                           |||
ahti@mail1.i1.net                                       Ahti Eric Rovainen YYY
aivasyuk@clark.net                                         Anatoly Ivasyuk YYY
andyk@sentient-sys.com                                           Andy Kish YYY
arielle@taronga.com                                     Stephanie da Silva YYY
aryehs@touro.edu                                       Aryeh L. Silverberg YYY
atekant@locutuscodeware.com                                   Argun Tekant YYY
bannist7@cs.man.ac.uk                                        Tim Bannister YNY
barry.salter@pemail.net                                       Barry Salter YYY
bluefthr@earthlink.net                                             J Perez YYY
bobc@oz.net                                                      Bob Clark YYY
booda@datasync.com                                         Martin H. Booda NNN
bwilliam@u.washington.edu                                 Barbara Williams YYY
calabres@chass.utoronto.ca                                  Tony Calabrese YYY
ch865@freenet.carleton.ca                                   Yves Pelletier YYY
chris.hart@poboxes.com                                                     YYY
chris@aimnet.net                               Christopher Robin Zimmerman Y-Y
chris@chrism.demon.co.uk                                    Chris Marriott YYY
chriseb@nortel.ca                                           Chris Ebenezer NYN
chuckhoffmann@mindspring.com                                Chuck Hoffmann YYY
curtis_whalen@hotmail.com                           Curtis [Jewell] Whalen YYY
d@idiom.com                                                              d NNN
dan.langille@dvl.co.nz                                        Dan Langille YYY
dave@musical.demon.co.uk                                       Dave Webber YYY
davemac@atlantic.oaktree.co.uk                             David McCormack YYY
daveydee@nospam.demon.co.uk                                dave {stejonda} YYY
David.Robinson@Eng.Sun.COM                                  David Robinson NNN
dballard@cs.com                                                Don Ballard YYY
ddf90695@dialip.sdn.dk                               Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen YYY
deb@nospam.tink.com                                                        YYY
djoh003@cs.auckland.ac.nz                               Daniel Peter Johns Y-Y
dmyobe@baobab.cszim.co.zw                                   Douglas M Yobe YYY
donmoe@ix.netcom.nospam.com                                        Don Moe YYY
doren@slonet.org                                           Doren Rosenthal NNN
dougob@ix.netcom.com                                          Doug O'Brien YNN
eggert@twinsun.com                                             Paul Eggert NNN
Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de                                       Ekkehard Uthke YYY
esand@azstarnet.com                                          Eric Sandrich YYY
Flavio.Antonioli@flashnet.it                              Flavio Antonioli YYY
franckey@imaginet.fr                                      Franckey Rougane YYY
fred@eatel.net                                        Frederick J. Barnett YYY
fullerm@SpamKiller-Remove.colteng.com                    Mike E. Fullerton YYY
fxms211@RZ.uni-frankfurt.de                                  Oliver Breuer YYY
gavan@magna.com.au                                         Gavan Schneider YYY
gbacon@adtran.com                                               Greg Bacon NNN
geisler@chad.ece.nwu.edu                                  Jonathan Geisler Y--
grumpy@en.com                                                 Seymour Dupa YYY
guymacon@deltanet.com                                            Guy Macon ---
gwailo@globalnet.co.uk                                        CHRIS BOLTON YYY
hermannrg@erols.com                                              hermannrg YYY
hfung@lerami.lerctr.org                                          Hank Fung YNN
hkantola@ling.helsinki.fi                                   Heikki Kantola NNN
hmueller@maxsolns.com                                        Harry Mueller YYY
hughdohi@flashemail.com                                          Hugh Dohi NNN
irina@rempt.xs2all.nl                                          Irina Rempt YYY
jasmine@fl.net.au                                           Jasmine Taylor YYY
jcw@meta4.com                                          Jean-Claude Wippler YYY
jeffery.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca                               Jeffery D. Hunt NNN
jgardner@collaw.edu.au                                       James Gardner YYY
jhouchin@texoma.net                                         Jimmie Houchin YYY
jimrtex@pipeline.com                                             Jim Riley NNN
jkiernan@julian.uwo.ca                                       J. A. Kiernan YYY
jmccaul@iatcmail.ed.ray.com                                Joseph McCauley YYY
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jorj@wsii.com                                                Jorj Strumolo YYY
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                     J. Porter Clark YYY
jpoggen@freenet.columbus.oh.us                                J Poggenburg Y-Y
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nat@nataa.fr.eu.org                                        Nat Makarevitch YYY
ndallen@interlog.com                                           Nigel Allen YYY
nick@cimio.co.uk                                             Nick Waterman YYY
nl11891@pop3.worldaccess.nl                                 Robert Joosten YYN
olav@viking.mv.com                                         Olav Nieuwejaar NNN
oodie@hotmail.com                                                     Andy YYY
p.h.u.s.t.a.v.a@i.n.l.i.n.k.c.o.m                             Paul Hustava NYY
pan@syix.com                                                           Pan NNN
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pfund3@uni2a.unige.ch                                         Daniel Pfund YYY
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robtoc@dorsai.org                                       Robert E. O'Connor YYY
roesingere@indy.tce.com                                   Eric G Roesinger YYY
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sal@panix.com                                             Salvatore Denaro YYY
santoro@nio.dec.com                                     Stefano M. Santoro YYY
scoop@indy.net                                               Bob Ostrander YYY
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seelhoff@sophsoft.com                                       Gregg Seelhoff YYY
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Votes in error
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coypartido@netpci.com                                              coy partido
   ! No vote statement in message

From csp@euro-share.com Thu Jul 16 23:45:10 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" <csp@euro-share.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <900657746.1173@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT
Lines: 246
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10405 news.groups:291159 comp.programming:52865

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>

From csp@euro-share.com Fri Jul 17 04:24:39 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" <csp@euro-share.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT
Lines: 246
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10413 news.groups:291188 comp.programming:52877

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>

From csp@euro-share.com Fri Jul 17 06:42:00 1998
Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail
Message-ID: <REPOST-15783.5183105469.900674669.22444@isc.org>
X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" <csp@euro-share.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce

Newsgroup lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users,
comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy.  After
the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses,
the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to
the author, either directly or through a third party.  The popularity
of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased
dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other
types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including
public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or
crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online
than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are
alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they
receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to
overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware
authors in their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware
and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated
and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the
discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and
resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of
the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups
is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: <cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au>
Article submission address:     <cssadsubmit@micronexus.com.au>

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings
that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups.
  Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration
  keys.
  Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup.

The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators
if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed
appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm,
if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the
administrative contact address.

Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned
to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming,
  alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors,
  alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,
  alt.comp.freeware.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
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From dave@dogwood.com Wed Aug 26 00:30:12 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: CFV: comp.software.shareware.*
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <904116537.22081@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 17 Sep 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:28:57 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10560 news.groups:294535 comp.programming:56761

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce

There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware
programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore
spam-free newsgroup.  This newsgroups is important as it will provide
a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also
know where they can find the information they need on new products.
The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any
kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming,
flame wars and thread hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for authors of shareware products.  The moderated
environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by
the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the
existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short,
without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can
publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread
hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for users of shareware products.  The moderated environment
will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short, this
newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss
the products that interest them without having to wade through
flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
    credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to
the creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.
Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:

    vote@dogwood.com

Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message
should contain one and only one of each of the following vote
statements.  Fill in YES, NO, CANCEL, or ABSTAIN between the "[]".

[         ]  comp.software.shareware.announce
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.authors
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.users

    Voter name:

If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example,
AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_
line and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your
signature line is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or
remove the words "Voter name"!

You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL
(which removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final
vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one
account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to
the votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.
Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous
votes.  Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the
most recent valid vote.  Addresses, names and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.  When in
doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: Euro-Share
Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com
Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

asp.members
asp.public_discussion

-- 
Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Voting address: vote@dogwood.com

From dave@dogwood.com Tue Sep  8 07:00:11 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.shareware.*
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <905262937.24573@isc.org>
References: <904116537.22081@isc.org>
Supersedes: <904116537.22081@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 17 Sep 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:55:38 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10579 news.groups:295544 comp.programming:57733

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce
           moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors
            moderated group comp.software.shareware.users

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce

There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware
programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore
spam-free newsgroup.  This newsgroups is important as it will provide
a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also
know where they can find the information they need on new products.
The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any
kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming,
flame wars and thread hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for authors of shareware products.  The moderated
environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by
the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the
existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short,
without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can
publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread
hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for users of shareware products.  The moderated environment
will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short, this
newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss
the products that interest them without having to wade through
flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
    credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to
the creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.
Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:

    vote@dogwood.com

Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message
should contain one and only one of each of the following vote
statements.  Fill in YES, NO, CANCEL, or ABSTAIN between the "[]".

[         ]  comp.software.shareware.announce
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.authors
[         ]  comp.software.shareware.users

    Voter name:

If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example,
AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_
line and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your
signature line is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or
remove the words "Voter name"!

You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL
(which removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final
vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one
account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to
the votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.
Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous
votes.  Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the
most recent valid vote.  Addresses, names and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.  When in
doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: Euro-Share
Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com
Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

asp.members
asp.public_discussion

-- 
Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Voting address: vote@dogwood.com

From dave@dogwood.com Tue Sep 22 12:59:07 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: RESULT: comp.software.shareware.* all groups pass
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <906492872.29988@isc.org>
References: <904116537.22081@isc.org> <905262937.24573@isc.org>
Supersedes: <905262937.24573@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:34:32 GMT
Lines: 550
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10592 news.groups:296655 comp.programming:58571

                                RESULT
    moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce passes 334:22
    moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors passes 323:26
     moderated group comp.software.shareware.users passes 322:29

comp.software.shareware.* results - 362 valid votes

 Yes  No  | 2/3 >100 | Pass | Group
---- ---- | --- ---- | ---- | -------------------------------------------
 334   22 | Yes  Yes |  Yes | comp.software.shareware.announce
 323   26 | Yes  Yes |  Yes | comp.software.shareware.authors
 322   29 | Yes  Yes |  Yes | comp.software.shareware.users
   2 invalid ballots

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the groups shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users	Use of shareware. (Moderated)

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Tim Skipper <csp@euro-share.com>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce

There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware
programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore
spam-free newsgroup.  This newsgroups is important as it will provide
a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also
know where they can find the information they need on new products.
The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any
kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming,
flame wars and thread hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for authors of shareware products.  The moderated
environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by
the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the
existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short,
without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can
publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread
hijacking.

RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users

This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and
discussion for users of shareware products.  The moderated environment
will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here.  In short, this
newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss
the products that interest them without having to wade through
flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
    credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to
the creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.
Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Cross-posting between this
newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not
acceptable.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssanmoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Scott Kane <micronexus@ircnet.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssamoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Scott Kane <moderator@micronexus.com.au>
Moderator: Tim Skipper <cssumoderator@euro-share.com>
Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au
Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au

END MODERATOR INFO.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: Euro-Share
Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com
Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

asp.members
asp.public_discussion

comp.software.shareware.* Final Voter list


                                           comp.software.shareware.users -----+
                                         comp.software.shareware.authors ----+|
                                        comp.software.shareware.announce ---+||
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