From pfeilgm@jmu.edu Mon Jan 12 07:00:24 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: pfeilgm@jmu.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen
Subject: RFD: comp.sys.wearables
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <884616521.9630@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.sys.wearables
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:48:41 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9693 news.groups:269888 comp.sys.handhelds:32768 comp.sys.laptops:112905 comp.sys.newton.misc:90026 comp.sys.newton.programmer:17646 comp.sys.palmtops:95494 comp.sys.palmtops.pilot:1024 comp.sys.pen:16325

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                 unmoderated group comp.sys.wearables

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.wearables. This is not a
Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are
below.

Newsgroup lines:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications.

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some sort
of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along with
some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The purpose of
these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal. The user no
longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access their
information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable computer is a
step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested in,
working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for both
laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly contains the
niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users operate in Unix
and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the field, they will
easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup will also bring
together the subscribers of any local wearable groups that may exist at
locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing the speed at which
this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems and
their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on these
subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing the
architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences including
quality, specifications and applications;  methods of constrution; and
courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged, technical diagrams
necessary to the construction of systems and other such binaries should be
accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted to
their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to comp.sys.wearables.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be
raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups,
news.groups,
comp.sys.handhelds,
comp.sys.laptops,
comp.sys.newton.misc,
comp.sys.newton.programmer,
comp.sys.palmtops,
comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,
comp.sys.pen

the following mailing list:

wear-hard@haven.org (building a wearable computer)
                Subscribe via: wear-hard-request@haven.org
                with the subject: subscribe

and the following web page:

http://falcon.jmu.edu/~pfeilgm/comp_sys_wearables.txt

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>

From rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu Thu Apr 16 03:00:08 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: "R. Paul McCarty" <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.wearables moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <892720165.25323@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.sys.wearables
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:49:25 GMT
Lines: 179
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9964 news.groups:278651 comp.sys.handhelds:38116 comp.sys.laptops:125700 comp.sys.newton.misc:100452 comp.sys.newton.programmer:19412 comp.sys.palmtops:103435 comp.sys.palmtops.pilot:11662 comp.sys.pen:16914

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                  moderated group comp.sys.wearables

This is the second formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation
of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.wearables. This is
not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

* change from unmoderated to moderated newsgroup

Newsgroup lines:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some
sort of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along
with some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The
purpose of these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal.
The user no longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access
their information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable
computer is a step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested
in, working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for
both laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly
contains the niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users
operate in Unix and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the
field, they will easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup
will also bring together the subscribers of any local wearable groups
that may exist at locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing
the speed at which this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems
and their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on
these subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing
the architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences
including quality, specifications and applications; methods of
constrution; and courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged,
technical diagrams necessary to the construction of systems and other
such binaries should be accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted
to their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements for wearable and related products and
services may be allowed at the human moderators' discretion, but will be
generally prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The moderation policy will combine robo-moderation and a moderation
group to set standards for discussion. The group will also issue a
monthly posting listing the groups charter and posting guidelines.

The robo-moderator shall search every submission to comp.sys.wearables
for certain trigger words, forwarding any submissions containing these
trigger words to the panel of human moderators for review. The list of
trigger words is maintained by the moderators, who will add words as
needed and at the moderators' discretion. Moderators will then review
the article and promptly post it to comp.sys.wearables provided it is
consistent with the charter for comp.sys.wearables. In addition to
discussion of wearables as outlined above discussion of the charter
itself for comp.sys.wearables, the moderators, moderation policies, and
related groups and the differences between this group and related
groups, and the formation of new groups similar to or derived from
comp.sys.wearables is acceptable, but subject to the moderators'
discretion.

An express poster list will be maintained to allow known posters to the
group (such as the moderators) to be posted automatically. Submissions
from those not on the express poster list, will be subject to trigger
word checks and human moderation as discussed above. Posters can be
added to or removed from the express posting list by any moderator.

If a post is rejected by both the robo-moderator and the human
moderators a message may be sent to the poster to explain the reasons
for rejection.

Only one moderator need accept an article for it to be posted to the
comp.sys.wearables. In the event that a single human moderator strongly
objects to a post, they may block posting by sending a message to all
moderators and requesting a discussion of the post. If there is
concensus that the message should not be posted (if at least 50% of the
moderators objects to the post) it will not be posted.

The initial moderation group will be composed of those listed below in
the moderator information section.

Additional moderators may be recruited from the readership as
demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation
panel, he or she agrees to make a public statement at least one month
prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found. When
vacancies occur, anyone may volunteer to become a moderator or advisor
with the consent of more than half of the current moderation panel.
Moderators or advisors may be removed by a vote of two-thirds of the
moderation panel. Moderators may request to be put on inactive status
due to personal demands. If this inactive status exceeds six months,
the moderator position will be considered vacant, and a replacement
may be sought.

Disclaimer
- The moderators of this newsgroup are not responsible for
truthfulness or legality of any of the posts.
- The approval of a post by a moderator is NOT an endorsement by the
moderator or board.
- Posters assume full responsibility for the content of their posts -
Readers using information that appears in the newsgroup do so at their
own risk
- Posters agree that by posting items to this newsgroup they indemnify
and hold harmless the directors and service providers.
- The copyright for all posts remains with the poster or in the public
domain as appropriate.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.sys.wearables

Moderator: robo-moderator <wearable@cif.rochester.edu>
Moderator: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Moderator: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should
be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a
minimum of 10 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal
is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes
(CFV)
may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups,
news.groups,
comp.sys.handhelds,
comp.sys.laptops,
comp.sys.newton.misc,
comp.sys.newton.programmer,
comp.sys.palmtops,
comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,
comp.sys.pen

the following mailing list:

wear-hard@haven.org (building a wearable computer)
Subscribe via: wear-hard-request@haven.org
with the subject: subscribe

and the following web page:

http://reg16.admin.rochester.edu/~mccarty/comp.sys.wearables.html

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Proponent: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>

From neilc@stanford.edu Wed May 13 14:00:08 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen
Subject: CFV: comp.sys.wearables moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <895092505.24654@isc.org>
References: <884616521.9630@isc.org> <892720165.25323@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 4 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.sys.wearables
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:48:25 GMT
Lines: 222
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10082 news.groups:282950 comp.sys.handhelds:39439 comp.sys.laptops:130058 comp.sys.newton.misc:102286 comp.sys.newton.programmer:19624 comp.sys.palmtops:105512 comp.sys.palmtops.pilot:15877 comp.sys.pen:17049

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                  moderated group comp.sys.wearables

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Jun 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Proponent: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some sort
of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along with
some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The purpose of
these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal. The user no
longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access their
information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable computer is
a step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested
in, working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for
both laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly contains
the niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users operate in
Unix and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the field, they will
easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup will also bring
together the subscribers of any local wearable groups that may exist at
locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing the speed at which
this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems
and their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on these
subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing the
architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences including
quality, specifications and applications; methods of constrution; and
courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged, technical diagrams
necessary to the construction of systems and other such binaries should
be accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted
to their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to
comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements for wearable and related products and services
may be allowed at the human moderators' discretion, but will be generally
prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The moderation policy will combine robo-moderation and a moderation
group to set standards for discussion. The group will also issue a
monthly posting listing the groups charter and posting guidelines.

The robo-moderator shall search every submission to comp.sys.wearables
for certain trigger words, forwarding any submissions containing these
trigger words to the panel of human moderators for review. The list of
trigger words is maintained by the moderators, who will add words as
needed and at the moderators' discretion. Moderators will then review
the article and promptly post it to comp.sys.wearables provided it is
consistent with the charter for comp.sys.wearables. In addition to
discussion of wearables as outlined above discussion of the charter
itself for comp.sys.wearables, the moderators, moderation policies, and
related groups and the differences between this group and related groups,
and the formation of new groups similar to or derived from
comp.sys.wearables is acceptable, but subject to the moderators'
discretion.

An express poster list will be maintained to allow known posters to the
group (such as the moderators) to be posted automatically. Submissions
from those not on the express poster list, will be subject to trigger
word checks and human moderation as discussed above. Posters can be added
to or removed from the express posting list by any moderator.

If a post is rejected by both the robo-moderator and the human moderators
a message may be sent to the poster to explain the reasons for rejection.

Only one moderator need accept an article for it to be posted to the
comp.sys.wearables. In the event that a single human moderator strongly
objects to a post, they may block posting by sending a message to all
moderators and requesting a discussion of the post. If there is concensus
that the message should not be posted (if at least 50% of the moderators
objects to the post) it will not be posted.

The initial moderation group will be composed of those listed below in
the moderator information section.

Additional moderators may be recruited from the readership as
demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation
panel, he or she agrees to make a public statement at least one month
prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found. When
vacancies occur, anyone may volunteer to become a moderator or advisor
with the consent of more than half of the current moderation panel.
Moderators or advisors may be removed by a vote of two-thirds of the
moderation panel. Moderators may request to be put on inactive status
due to personal demands. If this inactive status exceeds six months,
the moderator position will be considered vacant, and a replacement
may be sought.

Disclaimer
- The moderators of this newsgroup are not responsible for
  truthfulness or legality of any of the posts.
- The approval of a post by a moderator is NOT an endorsement by the
  moderator or board.
- Posters assume full responsibility for the content of their posts.
- Readers using information that appears in the newsgroup do so at
  their own risk.
- Posters agree that by posting items to this newsgroup they indemnify
  and hold harmless the directors and service providers.
- The copyright for all posts remains with the poster or in the public
  domain as appropriate.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.sys.wearables

Moderator: "R. Paul McCarty" <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Moderator: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Administrative contact address: rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu
Article submission address: wearable@cif.rochester.edu

END MODERATOR INFO.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: comp.sys.wearables
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <CSW-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  comp.sys.wearables (moderated)

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: wear-hard@haven.org
Submission address: wear-hard@haven.org
Request address (optional): wear-hard-request@haven.org

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu

From neilc@stanford.edu Mon May 25 12:30:10 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.sys.wearables moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <896123810.4659@isc.org>
References: <884616521.9630@isc.org> <892720165.25323@isc.org> <895092505.24654@isc.org>
Supersedes: <895092505.24654@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 4 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.sys.wearables
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:16:51 GMT
Lines: 227
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10110 news.groups:284461 comp.sys.handhelds:40144 comp.sys.laptops:131833 comp.sys.newton.misc:102926 comp.sys.newton.programmer:19708 comp.sys.palmtops:106475 comp.sys.palmtops.pilot:17340 comp.sys.pen:17095

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                  moderated group comp.sys.wearables

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Jun 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Proponent: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some sort
of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along with
some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The purpose of
these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal. The user no
longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access their
information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable computer is
a step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested
in, working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for
both laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly contains
the niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users operate in
Unix and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the field, they will
easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup will also bring
together the subscribers of any local wearable groups that may exist at
locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing the speed at which
this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems
and their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on these
subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing the
architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences including
quality, specifications and applications; methods of constrution; and
courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged, technical diagrams
necessary to the construction of systems and other such binaries should
be accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted
to their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to
comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements for wearable and related products and services
may be allowed at the human moderators' discretion, but will be generally
prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The moderation policy will combine robo-moderation and a moderation
group to set standards for discussion. The group will also issue a
monthly posting listing the groups charter and posting guidelines.

The robo-moderator shall search every submission to comp.sys.wearables
for certain trigger words, forwarding any submissions containing these
trigger words to the panel of human moderators for review. The list of
trigger words is maintained by the moderators, who will add words as
needed and at the moderators' discretion. Moderators will then review
the article and promptly post it to comp.sys.wearables provided it is
consistent with the charter for comp.sys.wearables. In addition to
discussion of wearables as outlined above discussion of the charter
itself for comp.sys.wearables, the moderators, moderation policies, and
related groups and the differences between this group and related groups,
and the formation of new groups similar to or derived from
comp.sys.wearables is acceptable, but subject to the moderators'
discretion.

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from those not on the express poster list, will be subject to trigger
word checks and human moderation as discussed above. Posters can be added
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a message may be sent to the poster to explain the reasons for rejection.

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comp.sys.wearables. In the event that a single human moderator strongly
objects to a post, they may block posting by sending a message to all
moderators and requesting a discussion of the post. If there is concensus
that the message should not be posted (if at least 50% of the moderators
objects to the post) it will not be posted.

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demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation
panel, he or she agrees to make a public statement at least one month
prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found. When
vacancies occur, anyone may volunteer to become a moderator or advisor
with the consent of more than half of the current moderation panel.
Moderators or advisors may be removed by a vote of two-thirds of the
moderation panel. Moderators may request to be put on inactive status
due to personal demands. If this inactive status exceeds six months,
the moderator position will be considered vacant, and a replacement
may be sought.

Disclaimer
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  truthfulness or legality of any of the posts.
- The approval of a post by a moderator is NOT an endorsement by the
  moderator or board.
- Posters assume full responsibility for the content of their posts.
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  their own risk.
- Posters agree that by posting items to this newsgroup they indemnify
  and hold harmless the directors and service providers.
- The copyright for all posts remains with the poster or in the public
  domain as appropriate.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.sys.wearables

Moderator: "R. Paul McCarty" <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Moderator: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Administrative contact address: rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu
Article submission address: wearable@cif.rochester.edu

END MODERATOR INFO.

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wurst@spam-me-not.acm.org                                         Karl R. Wurst

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From neilc@stanford.edu Wed Jun  3 17:45:08 1998
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From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen
Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.wearables moderated passes 194:14
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                                RESULT
           moderated group comp.sys.wearables passes 194:14

There were 194 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 208 valid
votes.  There were 3 abstentions and 5 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
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moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Jun 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Proponent: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some sort
of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along with
some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The purpose of
these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal. The user no
longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access their
information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable computer is
a step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested
in, working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for
both laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly contains
the niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users operate in
Unix and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the field, they will
easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup will also bring
together the subscribers of any local wearable groups that may exist at
locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing the speed at which
this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems
and their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on these
subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing the
architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences including
quality, specifications and applications; methods of constrution; and
courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged, technical diagrams
necessary to the construction of systems and other such binaries should
be accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted
to their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to
comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements for wearable and related products and services
may be allowed at the human moderators' discretion, but will be generally
prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The moderation policy will combine robo-moderation and a moderation
group to set standards for discussion. The group will also issue a
monthly posting listing the groups charter and posting guidelines.

The robo-moderator shall search every submission to comp.sys.wearables
for certain trigger words, forwarding any submissions containing these
trigger words to the panel of human moderators for review. The list of
trigger words is maintained by the moderators, who will add words as
needed and at the moderators' discretion. Moderators will then review
the article and promptly post it to comp.sys.wearables provided it is
consistent with the charter for comp.sys.wearables. In addition to
discussion of wearables as outlined above discussion of the charter
itself for comp.sys.wearables, the moderators, moderation policies, and
related groups and the differences between this group and related groups,
and the formation of new groups similar to or derived from
comp.sys.wearables is acceptable, but subject to the moderators'
discretion.

An express poster list will be maintained to allow known posters to the
group (such as the moderators) to be posted automatically. Submissions
from those not on the express poster list, will be subject to trigger
word checks and human moderation as discussed above. Posters can be added
to or removed from the express posting list by any moderator.

If a post is rejected by both the robo-moderator and the human moderators
a message may be sent to the poster to explain the reasons for rejection.

Only one moderator need accept an article for it to be posted to the
comp.sys.wearables. In the event that a single human moderator strongly
objects to a post, they may block posting by sending a message to all
moderators and requesting a discussion of the post. If there is concensus
that the message should not be posted (if at least 50% of the moderators
objects to the post) it will not be posted.

The initial moderation group will be composed of those listed below in
the moderator information section.

Additional moderators may be recruited from the readership as
demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation
panel, he or she agrees to make a public statement at least one month
prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found. When
vacancies occur, anyone may volunteer to become a moderator or advisor
with the consent of more than half of the current moderation panel.
Moderators or advisors may be removed by a vote of two-thirds of the
moderation panel. Moderators may request to be put on inactive status
due to personal demands. If this inactive status exceeds six months,
the moderator position will be considered vacant, and a replacement
may be sought.

Disclaimer
- The moderators of this newsgroup are not responsible for
  truthfulness or legality of any of the posts.
- The approval of a post by a moderator is NOT an endorsement by the
  moderator or board.
- Posters assume full responsibility for the content of their posts.
- Readers using information that appears in the newsgroup do so at
  their own risk.
- Posters agree that by posting items to this newsgroup they indemnify
  and hold harmless the directors and service providers.
- The copyright for all posts remains with the poster or in the public
  domain as appropriate.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.sys.wearables

Moderator: "R. Paul McCarty" <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Moderator: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Administrative contact address: rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu
Article submission address: wearable@cif.rochester.edu

END MODERATOR INFO.



comp.sys.wearables Final Voter list

Voted YES
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nagy [at] darwin.topend.com.au                                     Robert Nagy
david [at] unico.com.au                                              David Goh
jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
base2 [at] opera.iinet.net.au                                     Matthew Watt
abuse [at] brushtail.apana.org.au                                  Chris Baird
chris [at] stallion.oz.au                                  Christopher J Biggs
dvandeun [at] vub.ac.be                                          Dirk van Deun
jessica [at] riv.be                                            Jessica Forbess
auroran [at] warbird.t-kagin.cuug.ab.ca                           Orin Johnson
liquid [at] liquidimage.ca                                        Tony Havelka
trevor.lien [at] sk.sympatico.ca                                   Trevor Lien
calabres [at] chass.utoronto.ca                                    T.Calabrese
rlpowell [at] calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca                           Robin Powell
neeri [at] iis.ee.ethz.ch                                   Matthias Neeracher
alan [at] ajw.com                                              Alan Jay Weiner
eric [at] allbookedup.com                                          Eric Sigler
davis [at] mailhost.alteon.com                                    Andrew Davis
Number4Fil [at] aol.com                                      Benjamin Fillmore
TWMet3 [at] aol.com                                    Tristram W Metcalfe III
hkieserm [at] bbn.com                                           Hans Kieserman
kai [at] bigfoot.com                                               Kai Schmidt
MichaelN [at] cycat.com                                     Michael Neverdosky
torin [at] daft.com                                             Darren Stalder
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon)
jcs [at] dimensional.com                                      Joseph C. Steger
willp [at] dreamscape.com                                          Will Pierce
pmb [at] ewaprg.com                                       Paul M. Brinegar, II
rpalmquist [at] flexipc.com                                   Robert Palmquist
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis [Jewell] Whalen
jwms [at] halcyon.com                                            John Williams
bmathews [at] harris.com                                         Brian Mathews
bobbymartin [at] hotmail.com                                 Bobby Dean Martin
jackhand [at] hotmail.com                                            Jack Hand
joshu00 [at] hotmail.com                                          Joshua Myers
syd_7 [at] hotmail.com                                            Lisa Goddard
brian_neumann [at] hp.com                                     Brian R. Neumann
jbr [at] hplb.hpl.hp.com                                   Jim Bedford-Roberts
dlw2 [at] humboldt1.com                                          Dave Weidling
mrklaw [at] itsnet.com                                          John Massaglia
dougob [at] javanet.com                                           Doug O'Brien
cloos [at] jhcloos.com                                     James H. Cloos, Jr.
michael [at] jungle.com                                        Michael Sattler
rodrigo [at] kcnet.com                                      Rodrigo Apolinario
EVANS [at] kkl.com                                               Matthew Evans
puzzlery [at] lightlink.com                               Douglas J. Davenport
kevin [at] microfuture.com                                       Kevin Huotari
marko [at] microopticalcorp.com                                     Mark Olson
ChrisMaxwell [at] mindspring.com                           Christopher Maxwell
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
gcrisp [at] mindspring.com                                            G. Crisp
sg [at] monsoon.com                                                Sunil Gupta
YONA%MOTCOMIL.MCIL [at] mcilnvl.comm.mot.com                       Yona Newman
danl [at] netcom.com                                             Dan E. Leslie
snirody [at] ix.netcom.com                                       Suresh NIRODY
cannon [at] nic.com                                               Kevin Martin
i0n [at] ntsource.com                                        Michael Leinartas
mwillis [at] nwlink.com                                            Mark Willis
ken.stone [at] omitron.com                                           Ken Stone
dcoker [at] panix.com                                               Dave Coker
jgoulder [at] panix.com                                            Jim Goulder
Anders_Andersen [at] pobox.com                                 Anders Andersen
jlc [at] pobox.com                                                Jorge Codina
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
phayes [at] pobox.com                                         Patrick W. Hayes
imdew [at] psrw.com                                                 Ian M. Dew
geoff [at] qdt.com                                                Geoff Parker
orrin [at] redshift.com                                        Orrin C. Winton
pete.hardie [at] SciAtl.COM                                        Pete Hardie
rah [at] shipwright.com                                        Robert Hettinga
ajr [at] softsound.com                                           Tony Robinson
jesse [at] spine.com                                            Jesse Montrose
stamper [at] stamper.com                                         Chris Stamper
dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff
ejp [at] world.std.com                                          Eric J. Pierce
poet [at] world.std.com                                                Ted Poe
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                                Mark Hood
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
peter [at] taronga.com                                          Peter da Silva
newbreed [at] technologist.com          Paul Kelman, NEWBREED@TECHNOLOGIST.COM
Peter.A.Harris [at] Tek.COM                                        Pete Harris
aristos [at] teleport.com                                      Michael Luevane
peter.giblin [at] thomasmiller.com                 Peter Giblin (THOMASMILLER)
jjorgens [at] unids.com                                      John L. Jorgensen
hawk [at] websp.com                                           Haukur Hreinsson
xanthian [at] well.com                                         Kent Paul Dolan
DanN [at] XDInc.com                                                 Dan Newell
KenA [at] XDInc.com                                      Kenneth H. Abbott III
fishkin [at] parc.xerox.com                                        Ken Fishkin
cooljay [at] bmb.escape.de                                   Christoph Krueger
ehoffman [at] fzi.de                                         Ekkehard Hoffmann
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                      Ekkehard Uthke
list-votes [at] dream.hb.north.de                             Martin Schr"oder
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
rainer.skrotzki [at] ruhr-uni-bochum.de                        Rainer Skrotzki
endruwe [at] berlin.snafu.de                                Ekkehard Endruweit
H.Duerer [at] zait.uni-bremen.de                                  Holger Durer
frankd [at] smaug.mi.aau.dk                                   Frank Dabelstein
buck [at] andrews.edu                                          Wayne Buckhanan
freeman [at] andrews.edu                                          Todd Freeman
jdavis [at] baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU                               Jim Davis
rayg [at] cs.bu.edu                                                 Ray Gasser
anind [at] cc.gatech.edu                                             Anind Dey
gt4708d [at] prism.gatech.edu                               Lawrence J. Najjar
bickford [at] jimmy.harvard.edu                                  Paul Bickford
jlv [at] cfht.hawaii.edu                                 Jean-Louis Villecroze
pfeilgm [at] cs.jmu.edu                                   Gregory Martin Pfeil
tboult [at] EECS.Lehigh.EDU                                  Terrnace E. Boult
ojenkins [at] mbhs.edu                                            Omar Jenkins
gblauvel [at] teton.Mines.EDU                                Glenn R. Blauvelt
devon [at] ai.mit.edu                                    Devon Sean McCullough
eakeyes [at] MIT.EDU                                              Edward Keyes
intille [at] media.mit.edu                                     Stephen Intille
rhodes [at] media.mit.edu                                 Bradley James Rhodes
testarne [at] media.mit.edu                                     Brian S. Jones
hulbertj [at] msoe.edu                                          Joshua Hulbert
lverhulst [at] nmff.nwu.edu                                     Leane Verhulst
y-pisan [at] nwu.edu                                               Yusuf Pisan
tregar [at] cs.nyu.edu                                     Samuel David Tregar
atwoodj [at] CS.ORST.EDU                                           John Atwood
jkdufair [at] freh-01.freh.purdue.edu                             Jason Dufair
rpmc [at] troi.cc.rochester.edu                                R. Paul McCarty
pratt [at] cs.stanford.edu                                       Vaughan Pratt
hudson [at] eecs.tulane.edu                                       Tramm Hudson
aclark [at] cs.uh.edu                                             Ashley Clark
jerry [at] Conan.ecn.uiowa.edu                                    Jerry Steele
mlenigan [at] umd.umich.edu                                       Mark Lenigan
kortuem [at] cs.uoregon.edu                                       Gerd Kortuem
hoehne [at] suntan.eng.usf.edu                                      Bob Hoehne
hseaver [at] usaovid.usouthal.edu                                Harmon Seaver
orb [at] cs.utexas.edu                                         Norman Richards
priestdo [at] cs.vassar.edu                                 Greg Priest-Dorman
scott.lee [at] wheaton.edu                                           Scott Lee
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
mallory [at] wcug.wwu.edu                                      Cameron Mallory
jmp [at] iki.fi                                               Juha Pohjalainen
sami.lappalainen [at] lukio.fi                                Sami Lappalainen
fre3d [at] club-internet.fr                                       Emilie Danna
s.sudik [at] larc.nasa.gov                                        Steven Sudik
jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                    J. Porter Clark
adam [at] veda.is                                                   Adam David
jwt [at] dskk.co.jp                                               Jim Tittsler
dfrey [at] kpt.nuwc.navy.mil                                       DENNIS FREY
strange [at] blueriver.net                                        Phil Edwards
mrainess [at] clark.net                                           Mark Rainess
splandorf [at] construct.net                                    Samuel Trychin
tmickley [at] corpcomm.net                                       Tracy Mickley
fool [at] dfw.net                                                 Chris McCraw
blawhon [at] earthlink.net                                          Bob Lawhon
lachoppe [at] earthlink.net                                Christopher Lambert
ellis [at] ftel.net                                                 Rick Ellis
hamilgs [at] hiwaay.net                                     george s. hamilton
legacy [at] ieighty.net                                        Legacy 'Xunker'
wolfe19 [at] mail.megsinet.net                                         Nerobro
flonesaw [at] netonecom.net                                      Arne W Flones
mikes [at] ns.rochelle.net                                       Michael Sharp
cdb [at] tiac.net                                                 Chris Bowker
pascucci [at] tiac.net                                       Jason R. Pascucci
phil.norris [at] virgin.net                                        Phil Norris
egreen [at] xtalwind.net                                         Earl J. green
erikb [at] stack.nl                                              Erik Bonfrere
runeb [at] mediascience.no                                       Rune Braathen
meyer [at] acm.org                                                 Andre Meyer
wurst [at] acm.org                                               Karl R. Wurst
jabr [at] tarnhelm.blu.org                                         John Abreau
nospam [at] haar.ddns.org                                             Jan Haar
callen [at] efn.org                                                Chris Allen
nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org                                       Nat Makarevitch
peewee [at] scc.mi.org                                            Jason Wright
camalot [at] picnicpark.org                                       Keith Amidon
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
brudy [at] thetech.org                                              Brian Rudy
f95pawi [at] dd.chalmers.se                                   Pawel Wiechowski
Peter.Jaric [at] era-t.ericsson.se                                 Peter Jaric
Martin.von.Weissenberg [at] lmf.ericsson.se             Martin von Weissenberg
nv95dath [at] tor.klippan.se                                       Dan Thaning
Hakan.E.Pettersson [at] telia.se           =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Pettersson?=
ronny [at] Update.UU.SE                                          Ronny Svedman
henkm [at] cs.bris.ac.uk                                           Henk Muller
ew206 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk                                      Ellis Weinberger
xav [at] compsoc.man.ac.uk                                         Mark Crutch
mjl [at] 355ltd.co.uk                                                M Linyard
phil.smythe [at] bt-sys.bt.co.uk                                   Phil Smythe
richard [at] amega.demon.co.uk                                  Richard Palmer
douglas+list [at] fang.demon.co.uk                             Douglas Brebner
lwithers [at] lwithers.demon.co.uk                            Laurence Withers
theo [at] marketto.demon.co.uk                                  Theo Markettos
mike [at] tara.demon.co.uk                                          Mike Welch
nir [at] easynet.co.uk                                            Nir Leuchter
dphelan [at] pavilion.co.uk                                        Dave Phelan
michael [at] unicorn-connection.co.uk                            Michael Parry
piggy [at] baqaqi.chi.il.us                              La Monte H.P. Yarroll
jfowle01 [at] west.isd77.k12.mn.us                                  Jim Fowler
drjohns [at] freenet.columbus.oh.us                               Dean Johnson

Voted NO
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chriseb [at] nortel.ca                                          chris ebenezer
jrm [at] best.com                                        John R. MacWilliamson
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
bjv [at] herbison.com                                            B.J. Herbison
stella [at] magenta.com                                                 STella
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
ezeller [at] nlc.com                                               Eric Zeller
steiners [at] primenet.com                                       Jason Steiner
dirk.gomez [at] sap-ag.de                                           Dirk Gomez
k95dl01 [at] cc.kzoo.edu                                            Dan Lawson
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
marquez [at] pacbell.net                                         Aaron Marquez
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar

Abstained
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cdt [at] audiophile.com                                         Chris Trumbore
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
hfung [at] lerami.lerctr.org                                        Henry Fung

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xyang [at] uoguelph.ca
    ! No vote statement in message
chrise [at] gepetto.boeing.com                                  Chris Esposito
    ! Undeliverable address
orn [at] cs.wisc.edu                                                Rudy Moore
    ! Undeliverable address
yguang [at] 163.net                                                  YangGuang
    ! No vote statement in message
Richard [at] challrj.demon.co.uk                          Richard John Challis
    ! No vote statement in message


-- 
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From neilc@stanford.edu Fri Jun  5 10:34:43 1998
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                                RESULT
           moderated group comp.sys.wearables passes 194:14

There were 194 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 208 valid
votes.  There were 3 abstentions and 5 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.wearables	Wearable computers and their applications. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Jun 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Proponent: R. Paul McCarty <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: comp.sys.wearables

A wearable computer is exactly that: a miniature computer which can be
(and is) worn. Often the CPU will be attached to the belt or in some sort
of satchel. A heads-up display, such as VR glasses, is used along with
some kind of input device, usually a one-handed keyboard. The purpose of
these machines is to make a personal computer truly personal. The user no
longer has to stay confined to a desk and chair to access their
information, it is with them wherever they are. The wearable computer is
a step forward in information availability.

There is a contingent of compuphiles who either are, or are interested
in, working with wearable computers. There are currently newsgroups for
both laptop and palmtop computers, but neither of these properly contains
the niche of the wearable computer. Since most wearable users operate in
Unix and frequent Usenet in order to keep up-to-date in the field, they will
easily find and subscribe to this group. This newsgroup will also bring
together the subscribers of any local wearable groups that may exist at
locations such as MIT and CMU, hopefully increasing the speed at which
this technology proceeds.

CHARTER: comp.sys.wearables

A forum for the creation and distribution of wearable computer systems
and their software as well as for the dissemination of knowledge on these
subjects. Appropriate topics of discussion would include choosing the
architechture and O/S for a wearable system; product preferences including
quality, specifications and applications; methods of constrution; and
courses of study. Posting binaries is discouraged, technical diagrams
necessary to the construction of systems and other such binaries should
be accessed via a link to an FTP or Web site.

Posts on semi-wearables, such as pen systems and PDAs should be posted
to their respective newsgroups, not comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements, political discussions (except those dealing
with the acceptiblity of wearable systems), flames, etc. are not
appropriate in this group. The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers all apply to
comp.sys.wearables.

Commercial advertisements for wearable and related products and services
may be allowed at the human moderators' discretion, but will be generally
prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The moderation policy will combine robo-moderation and a moderation
group to set standards for discussion. The group will also issue a
monthly posting listing the groups charter and posting guidelines.

The robo-moderator shall search every submission to comp.sys.wearables
for certain trigger words, forwarding any submissions containing these
trigger words to the panel of human moderators for review. The list of
trigger words is maintained by the moderators, who will add words as
needed and at the moderators' discretion. Moderators will then review
the article and promptly post it to comp.sys.wearables provided it is
consistent with the charter for comp.sys.wearables. In addition to
discussion of wearables as outlined above discussion of the charter
itself for comp.sys.wearables, the moderators, moderation policies, and
related groups and the differences between this group and related groups,
and the formation of new groups similar to or derived from
comp.sys.wearables is acceptable, but subject to the moderators'
discretion.

An express poster list will be maintained to allow known posters to the
group (such as the moderators) to be posted automatically. Submissions
from those not on the express poster list, will be subject to trigger
word checks and human moderation as discussed above. Posters can be added
to or removed from the express posting list by any moderator.

If a post is rejected by both the robo-moderator and the human moderators
a message may be sent to the poster to explain the reasons for rejection.

Only one moderator need accept an article for it to be posted to the
comp.sys.wearables. In the event that a single human moderator strongly
objects to a post, they may block posting by sending a message to all
moderators and requesting a discussion of the post. If there is concensus
that the message should not be posted (if at least 50% of the moderators
objects to the post) it will not be posted.

The initial moderation group will be composed of those listed below in
the moderator information section.

Additional moderators may be recruited from the readership as
demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation
panel, he or she agrees to make a public statement at least one month
prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found. When
vacancies occur, anyone may volunteer to become a moderator or advisor
with the consent of more than half of the current moderation panel.
Moderators or advisors may be removed by a vote of two-thirds of the
moderation panel. Moderators may request to be put on inactive status
due to personal demands. If this inactive status exceeds six months,
the moderator position will be considered vacant, and a replacement
may be sought.

Disclaimer
- The moderators of this newsgroup are not responsible for
  truthfulness or legality of any of the posts.
- The approval of a post by a moderator is NOT an endorsement by the
  moderator or board.
- Posters assume full responsibility for the content of their posts.
- Readers using information that appears in the newsgroup do so at
  their own risk.
- Posters agree that by posting items to this newsgroup they indemnify
  and hold harmless the directors and service providers.
- The copyright for all posts remains with the poster or in the public
  domain as appropriate.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.sys.wearables

Moderator: "R. Paul McCarty" <rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
Moderator: Gregory Martin Pfeil <pfeilgm@jmu.edu>
Administrative contact address: rpmc@troi.cc.rochester.edu
Article submission address: wearable@cif.rochester.edu

END MODERATOR INFO.



comp.sys.wearables Final Voter list

Voted YES
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nagy [at] darwin.topend.com.au                                     Robert Nagy
david [at] unico.com.au                                              David Goh
jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
base2 [at] opera.iinet.net.au                                     Matthew Watt
abuse [at] brushtail.apana.org.au                                  Chris Baird
chris [at] stallion.oz.au                                  Christopher J Biggs
dvandeun [at] vub.ac.be                                          Dirk van Deun
jessica [at] riv.be                                            Jessica Forbess
auroran [at] warbird.t-kagin.cuug.ab.ca                           Orin Johnson
liquid [at] liquidimage.ca                                        Tony Havelka
trevor.lien [at] sk.sympatico.ca                                   Trevor Lien
calabres [at] chass.utoronto.ca                                    T.Calabrese
rlpowell [at] calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca                           Robin Powell
neeri [at] iis.ee.ethz.ch                                   Matthias Neeracher
alan [at] ajw.com                                              Alan Jay Weiner
eric [at] allbookedup.com                                          Eric Sigler
davis [at] mailhost.alteon.com                                    Andrew Davis
Number4Fil [at] aol.com                                      Benjamin Fillmore
TWMet3 [at] aol.com                                    Tristram W Metcalfe III
hkieserm [at] bbn.com                                           Hans Kieserman
kai [at] bigfoot.com                                               Kai Schmidt
MichaelN [at] cycat.com                                     Michael Neverdosky
torin [at] daft.com                                             Darren Stalder
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon)
jcs [at] dimensional.com                                      Joseph C. Steger
willp [at] dreamscape.com                                          Will Pierce
pmb [at] ewaprg.com                                       Paul M. Brinegar, II
rpalmquist [at] flexipc.com                                   Robert Palmquist
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis [Jewell] Whalen
jwms [at] halcyon.com                                            John Williams
bmathews [at] harris.com                                         Brian Mathews
bobbymartin [at] hotmail.com                                 Bobby Dean Martin
jackhand [at] hotmail.com                                            Jack Hand
joshu00 [at] hotmail.com                                          Joshua Myers
syd_7 [at] hotmail.com                                            Lisa Goddard
brian_neumann [at] hp.com                                     Brian R. Neumann
jbr [at] hplb.hpl.hp.com                                   Jim Bedford-Roberts
dlw2 [at] humboldt1.com                                          Dave Weidling
mrklaw [at] itsnet.com                                          John Massaglia
dougob [at] javanet.com                                           Doug O'Brien
cloos [at] jhcloos.com                                     James H. Cloos, Jr.
michael [at] jungle.com                                        Michael Sattler
rodrigo [at] kcnet.com                                      Rodrigo Apolinario
EVANS [at] kkl.com                                               Matthew Evans
puzzlery [at] lightlink.com                               Douglas J. Davenport
kevin [at] microfuture.com                                       Kevin Huotari
marko [at] microopticalcorp.com                                     Mark Olson
ChrisMaxwell [at] mindspring.com                           Christopher Maxwell
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
gcrisp [at] mindspring.com                                            G. Crisp
sg [at] monsoon.com                                                Sunil Gupta
YONA%MOTCOMIL.MCIL [at] mcilnvl.comm.mot.com                       Yona Newman
danl [at] netcom.com                                             Dan E. Leslie
snirody [at] ix.netcom.com                                       Suresh NIRODY
cannon [at] nic.com                                               Kevin Martin
i0n [at] ntsource.com                                        Michael Leinartas
mwillis [at] nwlink.com                                            Mark Willis
ken.stone [at] omitron.com                                           Ken Stone
dcoker [at] panix.com                                               Dave Coker
jgoulder [at] panix.com                                            Jim Goulder
Anders_Andersen [at] pobox.com                                 Anders Andersen
jlc [at] pobox.com                                                Jorge Codina
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
phayes [at] pobox.com                                         Patrick W. Hayes
imdew [at] psrw.com                                                 Ian M. Dew
geoff [at] qdt.com                                                Geoff Parker
orrin [at] redshift.com                                        Orrin C. Winton
pete.hardie [at] SciAtl.COM                                        Pete Hardie
rah [at] shipwright.com                                        Robert Hettinga
ajr [at] softsound.com                                           Tony Robinson
jesse [at] spine.com                                            Jesse Montrose
stamper [at] stamper.com                                         Chris Stamper
dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff
ejp [at] world.std.com                                          Eric J. Pierce
poet [at] world.std.com                                                Ted Poe
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                                Mark Hood
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
peter [at] taronga.com                                          Peter da Silva
newbreed [at] technologist.com          Paul Kelman, NEWBREED@TECHNOLOGIST.COM
Peter.A.Harris [at] Tek.COM                                        Pete Harris
aristos [at] teleport.com                                      Michael Luevane
peter.giblin [at] thomasmiller.com                 Peter Giblin (THOMASMILLER)
jjorgens [at] unids.com                                      John L. Jorgensen
hawk [at] websp.com                                           Haukur Hreinsson
xanthian [at] well.com                                         Kent Paul Dolan
DanN [at] XDInc.com                                                 Dan Newell
KenA [at] XDInc.com                                      Kenneth H. Abbott III
fishkin [at] parc.xerox.com                                        Ken Fishkin
cooljay [at] bmb.escape.de                                   Christoph Krueger
ehoffman [at] fzi.de                                         Ekkehard Hoffmann
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                      Ekkehard Uthke
list-votes [at] dream.hb.north.de                             Martin Schr"oder
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
rainer.skrotzki [at] ruhr-uni-bochum.de                        Rainer Skrotzki
endruwe [at] berlin.snafu.de                                Ekkehard Endruweit
H.Duerer [at] zait.uni-bremen.de                                  Holger Durer
frankd [at] smaug.mi.aau.dk                                   Frank Dabelstein
buck [at] andrews.edu                                          Wayne Buckhanan
freeman [at] andrews.edu                                          Todd Freeman
jdavis [at] baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU                               Jim Davis
rayg [at] cs.bu.edu                                                 Ray Gasser
anind [at] cc.gatech.edu                                             Anind Dey
gt4708d [at] prism.gatech.edu                               Lawrence J. Najjar
bickford [at] jimmy.harvard.edu                                  Paul Bickford
jlv [at] cfht.hawaii.edu                                 Jean-Louis Villecroze
pfeilgm [at] cs.jmu.edu                                   Gregory Martin Pfeil
tboult [at] EECS.Lehigh.EDU                                  Terrnace E. Boult
ojenkins [at] mbhs.edu                                            Omar Jenkins
gblauvel [at] teton.Mines.EDU                                Glenn R. Blauvelt
devon [at] ai.mit.edu                                    Devon Sean McCullough
eakeyes [at] MIT.EDU                                              Edward Keyes
intille [at] media.mit.edu                                     Stephen Intille
rhodes [at] media.mit.edu                                 Bradley James Rhodes
testarne [at] media.mit.edu                                     Brian S. Jones
hulbertj [at] msoe.edu                                          Joshua Hulbert
lverhulst [at] nmff.nwu.edu                                     Leane Verhulst
y-pisan [at] nwu.edu                                               Yusuf Pisan
tregar [at] cs.nyu.edu                                     Samuel David Tregar
atwoodj [at] CS.ORST.EDU                                           John Atwood
jkdufair [at] freh-01.freh.purdue.edu                             Jason Dufair
rpmc [at] troi.cc.rochester.edu                                R. Paul McCarty
pratt [at] cs.stanford.edu                                       Vaughan Pratt
hudson [at] eecs.tulane.edu                                       Tramm Hudson
aclark [at] cs.uh.edu                                             Ashley Clark
jerry [at] Conan.ecn.uiowa.edu                                    Jerry Steele
mlenigan [at] umd.umich.edu                                       Mark Lenigan
kortuem [at] cs.uoregon.edu                                       Gerd Kortuem
hoehne [at] suntan.eng.usf.edu                                      Bob Hoehne
hseaver [at] usaovid.usouthal.edu                                Harmon Seaver
orb [at] cs.utexas.edu                                         Norman Richards
priestdo [at] cs.vassar.edu                                 Greg Priest-Dorman
scott.lee [at] wheaton.edu                                           Scott Lee
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
mallory [at] wcug.wwu.edu                                      Cameron Mallory
jmp [at] iki.fi                                               Juha Pohjalainen
sami.lappalainen [at] lukio.fi                                Sami Lappalainen
fre3d [at] club-internet.fr                                       Emilie Danna
s.sudik [at] larc.nasa.gov                                        Steven Sudik
jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                    J. Porter Clark
adam [at] veda.is                                                   Adam David
jwt [at] dskk.co.jp                                               Jim Tittsler
dfrey [at] kpt.nuwc.navy.mil                                       DENNIS FREY
strange [at] blueriver.net                                        Phil Edwards
mrainess [at] clark.net                                           Mark Rainess
splandorf [at] construct.net                                    Samuel Trychin
tmickley [at] corpcomm.net                                       Tracy Mickley
fool [at] dfw.net                                                 Chris McCraw
blawhon [at] earthlink.net                                          Bob Lawhon
lachoppe [at] earthlink.net                                Christopher Lambert
ellis [at] ftel.net                                                 Rick Ellis
hamilgs [at] hiwaay.net                                     george s. hamilton
legacy [at] ieighty.net                                        Legacy 'Xunker'
wolfe19 [at] mail.megsinet.net                                         Nerobro
flonesaw [at] netonecom.net                                      Arne W Flones
mikes [at] ns.rochelle.net                                       Michael Sharp
cdb [at] tiac.net                                                 Chris Bowker
pascucci [at] tiac.net                                       Jason R. Pascucci
phil.norris [at] virgin.net                                        Phil Norris
egreen [at] xtalwind.net                                         Earl J. green
erikb [at] stack.nl                                              Erik Bonfrere
runeb [at] mediascience.no                                       Rune Braathen
meyer [at] acm.org                                                 Andre Meyer
wurst [at] acm.org                                               Karl R. Wurst
jabr [at] tarnhelm.blu.org                                         John Abreau
nospam [at] haar.ddns.org                                             Jan Haar
callen [at] efn.org                                                Chris Allen
nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org                                       Nat Makarevitch
peewee [at] scc.mi.org                                            Jason Wright
camalot [at] picnicpark.org                                       Keith Amidon
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
brudy [at] thetech.org                                              Brian Rudy
f95pawi [at] dd.chalmers.se                                   Pawel Wiechowski
Peter.Jaric [at] era-t.ericsson.se                                 Peter Jaric
Martin.von.Weissenberg [at] lmf.ericsson.se             Martin von Weissenberg
nv95dath [at] tor.klippan.se                                       Dan Thaning
Hakan.E.Pettersson [at] telia.se           =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_Pettersson?=
ronny [at] Update.UU.SE                                          Ronny Svedman
henkm [at] cs.bris.ac.uk                                           Henk Muller
ew206 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk                                      Ellis Weinberger
xav [at] compsoc.man.ac.uk                                         Mark Crutch
mjl [at] 355ltd.co.uk                                                M Linyard
phil.smythe [at] bt-sys.bt.co.uk                                   Phil Smythe
richard [at] amega.demon.co.uk                                  Richard Palmer
douglas+list [at] fang.demon.co.uk                             Douglas Brebner
lwithers [at] lwithers.demon.co.uk                            Laurence Withers
theo [at] marketto.demon.co.uk                                  Theo Markettos
mike [at] tara.demon.co.uk                                          Mike Welch
nir [at] easynet.co.uk                                            Nir Leuchter
dphelan [at] pavilion.co.uk                                        Dave Phelan
michael [at] unicorn-connection.co.uk                            Michael Parry
piggy [at] baqaqi.chi.il.us                              La Monte H.P. Yarroll
jfowle01 [at] west.isd77.k12.mn.us                                  Jim Fowler
drjohns [at] freenet.columbus.oh.us                               Dean Johnson

Voted NO
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chriseb [at] nortel.ca                                          chris ebenezer
jrm [at] best.com                                        John R. MacWilliamson
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
bjv [at] herbison.com                                            B.J. Herbison
stella [at] magenta.com                                                 STella
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
ezeller [at] nlc.com                                               Eric Zeller
steiners [at] primenet.com                                       Jason Steiner
dirk.gomez [at] sap-ag.de                                           Dirk Gomez
k95dl01 [at] cc.kzoo.edu                                            Dan Lawson
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
marquez [at] pacbell.net                                         Aaron Marquez
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar

Abstained
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cdt [at] audiophile.com                                         Chris Trumbore
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
hfung [at] lerami.lerctr.org                                        Henry Fung

Invalid votes
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xyang [at] uoguelph.ca
    ! No vote statement in message
chrise [at] gepetto.boeing.com                                  Chris Esposito
    ! Undeliverable address
orn [at] cs.wisc.edu                                                Rudy Moore
    ! Undeliverable address
yguang [at] 163.net                                                  YangGuang
    ! No vote statement in message
Richard [at] challrj.demon.co.uk                          Richard John Challis
    ! No vote statement in message


-- 
Neil Crellin, UVV <neilc@stanford.edu>

