From usenet Tue Jul  8 00:50:03 2003
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From: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books,rec.arts.mystery
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
worldwide-moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.books.excerpts.  This is not
a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details
are below.

Newsgroup line:
rec.arts.books.excerpts	Online book excerpts. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts

This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing
free excerpts from books available on the Internet.  Moderation is
necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading
material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions.

There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this
newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that
they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to
free book excerpts. See:
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/
http://www.bookbrowse.com/
http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html

Book excerpts and links to online excerpts are often posted on
rec.arts.books and alt.books and related newsgroups. Looking back through
the Google usenet archive reveals that over a three month period (Feb 2003
- May 2003) 185 posts in the rec.arts.books and alt.books categories were
excerpts or discussion of excerpts.  With this targeted new group, this
rate would probably rise.

Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and
they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming
titles with readers and get feedback.

Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific
topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a
wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that
they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or
your friend's coffee table.

CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts

rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post excerpts from books or links to
online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book
excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss
them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with
readers and get feedback.

Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial
entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains
on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures.

Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a
freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited.  Personal attacks
and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be
tolerated.

Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the
topic of the post fits with the other group's charter.

Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The
moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve
the right to reject unsuitable posts.

Moderation. The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject
posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to
the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The
moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated
approval of their posts.  Personal attacks or abusive content, for
example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white
list.

END CHARTER.


MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts

Moderator: Larry Smith   <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Assistant Moderator: Jack Henderson   <JHenderson@rustymail.com>

Larry Smith is an avid reader and loves literature, especially when he can
get at it for free!

Jack Henderson has done extensive NNTP programming and is willing to
assist with robo-moderation.

END MODERATOR INFO.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups.  After the RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) may be
posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do
not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.


DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

   news.announce.newgroups
   news.groups
   rec.arts.books
   alt.books
   rec.arts.mystery

Pointers to the RFD will be posted to:

   rec.arts.sf.written
   rec.arts.books.hist-fiction
   rec.arts.books.childrens
   rec.arts.books.reviews
   rec.arts.books.marketplace

Proponents:
Larry Smith    <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Jack Henderson   <JHenderson@rustymail.com>

From usenet Thu Jul 31 09:10:08 2003
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From: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books,rec.arts.mystery
Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <1059642509.14739@isc.org>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
the worldwide-moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.books.excerpts.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

* Updated the rationale with more accurate traffic statistics and
  included problems that this newsgroup would solve.
* Added a line to the charter stating that links to entire works
  online are acceptable.
* Included some more writing-related groups in the RFD distribution
  list.
* Added another assistant moderator.


Newsgroup line:
rec.arts.books.excerpts	Online book excerpts. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts

This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and
discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet.
Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of
valuable free reading material from promotional hype and
off-topic discussions.

There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites,
and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share
the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also
several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See:
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/
http://www.bookbrowse.com/
http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html

First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html

Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted
in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the
"[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in
the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that
were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not
include discussion of excerpts.

I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and
the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted
several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum
as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on
their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as
well as reviews before buying or borrowing.

Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a
specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general
resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers
can find writing that they might otherwise not come across -
something like a public library or your friend's coffee table.

Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews
separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group
will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing
newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example
rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery
averages 225 posts per day.

CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts

rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts
from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows
readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online
with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers
can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable.

Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by
commercial entities for promotional purposes and that
discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except
for small PGP-type signatures.

Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or
link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited.
Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off
topic and will not be tolerated.

Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable
where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter.

Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the
poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility
for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts.

Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or
reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may
be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the
moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white
list" for automated approval of their posts.  Personal attacks or
abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster
being removed from the white list.

END CHARTER.


MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts

Moderator:           Larry Smith   <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Assistant Moderator: Ephie Barnes  <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Assistant Moderator: Jack Henderson   <JHenderson@rustymail.com>

Larry Smith is an avid reader and loves literature, especially
when he can get at it for free!

Ephie Barnes is a longtime USENET user and bookworm.

Jack Henderson has done extensive NNTP programming and is
willing to assist with robo-moderation and act as backup
moderator.

END MODERATOR INFO.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period
will continue for a minimum of 21 days starting from when the first
RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups.  After
the RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote
taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to
vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".
Please refer to these documents (available in
news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.


DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

   news.announce.newgroups
   news.groups
   rec.arts.books
   alt.books
   rec.arts.mystery

Pointers to the RFD will be posted to:

   rec.arts.sf.written
   rec.arts.books.hist-fiction
   rec.arts.books.childrens
   rec.arts.books.reviews
   rec.arts.books.marketplace
   alt.books.reviews
   misc.writing

Proponents:
Larry Smith      <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Jack Henderson   <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Ephie Barnes     <ephieb@newsguy.com>

From usenet Wed Aug 13 08:50:04 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Reply-To: excerpts-vote@netagw.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.books,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.mystery
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <1060764174.20878@isc.org>
References: <1059642509.14739@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 4 Sep 2003 00:00:00 GMT
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:42:54 +0000
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts

Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.books.excerpts	Online book excerpts. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Proponent: Jack Henderson <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Proponent: Ephie Barnes <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts

This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and
discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet.
Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of
valuable free reading material from promotional hype and
off-topic discussions.

There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites,
and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share
the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also
several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See:
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/
http://www.bookbrowse.com/
http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html

First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html

Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted
in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the
"[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in
the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that
were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not
include discussion of excerpts.

I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and
the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted
several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum
as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on
their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as
well as reviews before buying or borrowing.

Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a
specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general
resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers
can find writing that they might otherwise not come across -
something like a public library or your friend's coffee table.

Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews
separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group
will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing
newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example
rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery
averages 225 posts per day.

CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts

rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts
from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows
readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online
with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers
can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable.

Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by
commercial entities for promotional purposes and that
discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except
for small PGP-type signatures.

Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or
link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited.
Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off
topic and will not be tolerated.

Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable
where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter.

Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the
poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility
for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts.

Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or
reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may
be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the
moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white
list" for automated approval of their posts.  Personal attacks or
abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster
being removed from the white list.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts

Moderator: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Moderator: Ephie Barnes <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Moderator: Jack Henderson <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Administrative contact address: rabe-request@ce-service.biz
Article submission address: rabe@ce-service.biz

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.

PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived.

Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: <excerpts-vote@netagw.com>
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days, contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.


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| Official CFV Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts
| Usenet Voting Ballot <RABE-73-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.
| Established Usenet handles are also acceptable.  Place ONLY your name
| (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information;
| ONLY your name) directly after the colon in "Voter name:" on the
| following line.
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Voter name:
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| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
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|  Your Vote   Newsgroup
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|
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IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  Only one vote per person, no
more than one vote per account.  Votes must be mailed directly from
the voter to the votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes
are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered
to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Names, addresses, and votes of all voters
will be published in the final voting results post.

DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever.  The purpose of
a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would
read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties
defeats this purpose.  Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker)
are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV.

Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is
generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to
the votetaker or the UVV <contact@uvv.org>.  In cases where voting fraud
is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to
delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  When in doubt, ask the
votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed
below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail
CFV server which can be reached at <excerpts-cfv-request@netagw.com>.

This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.books
rec.arts.books
rec.arts.mystery

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these newsgroups:

alt.books.reviews
misc.writing
rec.arts.books.hist-fiction
rec.arts.books.childrens
rec.arts.books.reviews
rec.arts.books.marketplace
rec.arts.sf.written

From usenet Tue Aug 26 09:00:15 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Reply-To: excerpts-vote@netagw.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.books,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.mystery
Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <1061888213.15643@isc.org>
References: <1059642509.14739@isc.org> <1060764174.20878@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1060764174.20878@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 4 Sep 2003 00:00:00 GMT
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:56:53 +0000
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts

Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.books.excerpts	Online book excerpts. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Proponent: Jack Henderson <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Proponent: Ephie Barnes <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts

This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and
discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet.
Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of
valuable free reading material from promotional hype and
off-topic discussions.

There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites,
and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share
the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also
several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See:
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/
http://www.bookbrowse.com/
http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html

First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html

Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted
in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the
"[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in
the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that
were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not
include discussion of excerpts.

I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and
the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted
several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum
as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on
their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as
well as reviews before buying or borrowing.

Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a
specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general
resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers
can find writing that they might otherwise not come across -
something like a public library or your friend's coffee table.

Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews
separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group
will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing
newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example
rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery
averages 225 posts per day.

CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts

rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts
from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows
readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online
with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers
can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable.

Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by
commercial entities for promotional purposes and that
discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except
for small PGP-type signatures.

Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or
link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited.
Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off
topic and will not be tolerated.

Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable
where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter.

Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the
poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility
for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts.

Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or
reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may
be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the
moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white
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                                RESULT
         moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts passes 112:9

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Proponent: Jack Henderson <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Proponent: Ephie Barnes <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

There were 121 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period.  Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at
least 100 more YES than NO votes.  The results are as follows:

rec.arts.books.excerpts results - 121 valid (YES & NO) votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 112    9 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.arts.books.excerpts (moderated)
   1 abstaining vote  and 4 invalid votes

The proposal passed.

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The remainder of the RESULT contains:
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   Rationale
   Charter
   Moderator Info
   Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE:
rec.arts.books.excerpts	Online book excerpts. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts

This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and
discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet.
Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of
valuable free reading material from promotional hype and
off-topic discussions.

There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites,
and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share
the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also
several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See:
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/
http://www.bookbrowse.com/
http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html

First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html

Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted
in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the
"[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in
the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that
were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not
include discussion of excerpts.

I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and
the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted
several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum
as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on
their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as
well as reviews before buying or borrowing.

Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a
specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general
resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers
can find writing that they might otherwise not come across -
something like a public library or your friend's coffee table.

Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews
separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group
will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing
newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example
rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery
averages 225 posts per day.

CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts

rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts
from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows
readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online
with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers
can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get
feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable.

Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by
commercial entities for promotional purposes and that
discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except
for small PGP-type signatures.

Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or
link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited.
Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off
topic and will not be tolerated.

Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable
where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter.

Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the
poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility
for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts.

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MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts

Moderator: Larry Smith <larrysmith@ce-service.biz>
Moderator: Ephie Barnes <ephieb@newsguy.com>
Moderator: Jack Henderson <JHenderson@rustymail.com>
Administrative contact address: rabe-request@ce-service.biz
Article submission address: rabe@ce-service.biz

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FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

rec.arts.books.excerpts - Final Voter List

NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list.  The email addresses
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Voted YES
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4artemispress [at] herspace.com                              Susan R. Skolnick
aidan [at] cs.man.ac.uk                                            Aidan Loyns
annplatt [at] uk2.net                                                Ann Platt
auwg [at] yahoo.com                                             Ed Howdershelt
barbara_barry [at] harvard.edu                                   Barbara Barry
beansalad [at] praize.com                                           Bean Salad
bensnooker [at] wiredmail.co.nz                                    Ben Snooker
billw [at] wolfram.com                                              Bill White
bmartin3 [at] nyc.rr.com                               Beverly Swerling Martin
bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk                                      Niels Olof Bouvin
BPrice [at] Maryknoll.org                                  Bernadette B. Price
C128User [at] FVI.Net                                                 Glenn P.
caitmyers [at] bewrite.net                                          Cait Myers
CEJAYWILL [at] aol.com                                          Chris Williams
charlesf [at] booksandwriters.com                            Charlie Fleishman
chd [at] intercom.net.ua                                      Dmitry Cherkasov
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chriskrolczyk [at] hotmail.com                                  Chris Krolczyk
cjones [at] joner222.zzn.com                                   Christine Jones
CliffGrover [at] hispostbox.com                                   Cliff Grover
clore [at] columbia-center.org                               Daniel Carl Clore
crowe [at] lit.org                                          Chrispian H. Burks
croyle [at] gelemna.org                                             Don Croyle
cuhulain_98 [at] yahoo.com                                          The Ranger
dale.sutton [at] riptidepress.com                                 Greg Kurzawa
darkwing [at] dtnspeed.net                                     Stephanie Leman
david [at] farrar.com                                             David Farrar
davida [at] jdc.org.il                                           Davida Chazan
davidperth [at] bigfoot.com                                        David Perth
davina [at] bookbrowse.com                                              Davina
dpbsmith [at] world.std.com                                 Daniel P. B. Smith
dt_junior [at] hotmail.com                                        David Thomas
ephieb [at] newsguy.com                                           Ephie Barnes
evanmarshall [at] TheNovelist.com                                Evan Marshall
flatsplat [at] T-Mail.com                                            Flatsplat
FrankShawl [at] Cartooners.com                                     Frank Shawl
fungus [at] OCF.Berkeley.EDU                                         Hank Fung
GEbron [at] altamirapress.com                                      Grace Ebron
ggw [at] wolves.durham.nc.us                                  Gregory Woodbury
grandmalissimo [at] excite.com                              Guiseppe Maldonado
GreenWilly [at] givepeaceachance.com                               Green Willy
gregpfisher [at] netscape.net                                   Greg P. Fisher
grobe [at] netins.net                                           Jonathan Grobe
h.b.furuseth [at] usit.uio.no                              Hallvard B Furuseth
harder12 [at] hotmail.com                                           Uwe Harder
helmutmauser [at] yahoo.de                                       Helmut Mauser
herdy [at] bellsouth.net                                      David Herdlinger
J.Barton [at] brighton.ac.uk                                     Jerome Barton
j.cortez [at] zipmail.com.br                                       Jose Cortez
janehoon [at] mail.radioblack.com                                    Jane Hoon
jbazeley [at] netexecutive.com                                  Johann Bazeley
jdg [at] diogenes.sacramento.ca.us                             John David Galt
jeannieruby [at] o-tay.com                                        Jeannie Ruby
jennykent [at] uko2.co.uk                                           Jenny Kent
jethrowhite [at] t-email.co.uk                                    Jethro White
JHenderson [at] rustymail.com                                   Jack Henderson
JHine [at] Plough.com                                                 Joe Hine
jimbraun [at] hevanet.com                                            Jim Braun
joe [at] jolomo.net                                                 Joe Morris
johnringo [at] mindspring.com                                       John Ringo
JordanFitch [at] w3source.net                                     Jordan Fitch
jumpinjim [at] australia.edu                                       Jim Pretman
kamins [at] dogeared.com                                           Scot Kamins
kayshapero [at] earthlink.net                                      Kay Shapero
kenb [at] rodrun.com                                                 Ken Baker
KenRogers [at] infoapex.com                                         Ken Rogers
larrysmith [at] ce-service.biz                                     Larry Smith
LDMattock [at] aol.com                                        Lorraine Mattock
lmend [at] ccny.cuny.edu                                  Loren D. Mendelsohn
louis.lanman [at] lycos.co.uk                                     Louis Lanman
m.ortizo [at] pinoymail.com                                       Maria Ortizo
magicmitch [at] elvis.com                                         Mitch Grundy
marthaa3 [at] yahoo.com                                       Martha M. Murray
McMAgency [at] aol.com                                          Sally McMillan
mcohen [at] zappo.com                                           Mordecai Cohen
mfolkes [at] totalise.co.uk                                      Martyn Folkes
morris [at] altamont.net                                       James E. Morris
mthunzimakeba [at] ananzi.co.za                                 Mthunzi Makeba
naddy [at] mips.inka.de                                   Christian Weisgerber
nfitz [at] sentex.net                                     Nicholas Fitzpatrick
nick [at] nickspace.com                                          Nick Hlavacek
oldkingcoles [at] hotmail.com                                     George Coles
pastorio [at] rica.net                                            Bob Pastorio
patty.kahn [at] baybooks.com                                        Patty Kahn
PeterMoore [at] 2d.com                                             Peter Moore
poconnor [at] bigpond.net.au                                    Peter O'Connor
psmyth [at] gmx.net                                                Peter Smyth
rainsong9 [at] netzero.net                                       Becky Andrews
reinder [at] rustema.nl                                        ReindeR Rustema
renepittet2003 [at] hotmail.com                                    Rene Pittet
richardmorris [at] ukuconnect.com                               Richard Morris
roam [at] ringlet.net                                           Peter Pentchev
sagittaria [at] softhome.net                                        Sagittaria
sanchan [at] netlane.com                                        Sanjay Chandra
sandrakwms [at] hotmail.com                                    Sandra Williams
sarahrider [at] publicist.com                                      Sarah Rider
sbfaulds [at] ihug.co.nz                                  Stuart Brodie Faulds
scottt [at] dublin.com                                            Scott Turner
sdramsey [at] ns.sympatico.ca                                    Sherry Ramsey
shrao [at] nyx.net                                                 Shrisha Rao
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                         Simon Lyall
susan-brassfield [at] ou.edu                                  Susan Brassfield
terry [at] plateaupress.com.au                                  Terry O'Connor
tommysheridan [at] catholic.org                                 Tommy Sheridan
tzurinskas [at] yahoo.com                                        Tom Zurinskas
van.ette [at] inter.nl.net                                 Robert-Jan van Ette
vpdura [at] hiwaay.net                                                Vic Dura
Weibezahl [at] rocketmail.com                                 Robert Weibezahl
winchester [at] telia.com                                       Sebastian Palm
ymer [at] mulakaj.net                                             Ymer Mulakaj
zed [at] resonant.org                                                Zed Pobre
zoeborden [at] yahoo.co.uk                                          Zoe Borden

Voted NO
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breezy [at] bellatlantic.net                                      Laura Higley
dougbob [at] charter.net                                Robert Douglas O'Brien
dster [at] syix.com                                                        Pan
Ekkehard [at] Uthke.de                                          Ekkehard Uthke
gprrspw [at] mindspring.com                                          G.P. Ryan
mmontcha [at] OregonVOS.net                                 Matthew Montchalin
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                         Richard H Miller
stainles [at] realtime.net                                        Dwight Brown
webspinner [at] booksnbytes.com                            vickij [webspinner]

Voted ABSTAIN
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max [at] alcyone.com                                          Erik Max Francis

Invalid Votes
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alphadingo [at] hotmail.com                                 Dan Walker Freeman
   ! Ack bounced: No such user
PR [at] e-dition.net                                          Public Relations
   ! Invalid/Non-personal address
pub [at] e-dition.net                                                      Pub
   ! Invalid/Non-personal address
pub [at] multimedia-ebooks.com                             Relations publiques
   ! Invalid/Non-personal address

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