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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.martial-arts.moderated.  This
is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural
details are below.

Newsgroup line:
rec.martial-arts.moderated	Discussion of martial-arts. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated

rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal of
off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts per day
during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the usual
daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of direct
charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this, the
signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the
group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists.  A sample of the
mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25
messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150
members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day;
escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day.

The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the newsgroup
as those with the most to contribute are also those who are most likely
to give up in disgust.  The martial-arts community in general loses out
because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and awkward to access.

Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a
new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated.
Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace rec.martial-arts,
which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for martial arts.

CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts.moderated is to be a forum for the discussion of all
aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and the
general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts
community.

As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is
considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to:

 1) Technique
 2) History
 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore
 4) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system.
 5) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and
    seminars.
 6) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors.
 7) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes,
    websites.
 8) Periodically posted FAQs.

The following items are specifically off-topic:

 1) Commercial posts of any sort.
 2) Posts with no martial arts content.
 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing service
    must contact the moderators and sign their posts using PGP.  Note
    that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine.
 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well-
    known martial artists.  Invitations to visit and compare notes, as
    long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic.
 5) "My art is better than yours" posts.  Comparing specific techniques
    of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of one arts'
    superiority are not.
 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique and
    tactics.  This is a contentious issue, but discussion of
    competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on-
    topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts related
    issues.
 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or fictional.
 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual
    orientation.
 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting.
10) Flamewars.  The group is not intended to be humourless, but when
    disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic.  Rule 2
    always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if mild/clever,
    is off-topic.

Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline:

 1) Messages may not contain encoded binaries.
 2) Messages must contain no format/font information (such as MIME).
 3) Messages longer than 25 lines must contain at least 1/3 original
    text.
 4) Messages may not be cross-posted.
 5) Original line length must be 75 characters or less.
 6) Signatures may be no longer than 6 lines.
 7) Messages longer than 200 lines must contain LONG in the title.
 8) Messages referring to competitions must contain COMP in the title.
 9) Messages which are announcements must contain ANNOUNCE in the title.

MODERATION METHODS

Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and automated
means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP).  Moderation facilities have been arranged at a site
with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high capacity NNTP
connection.

Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject messages
which violate the format guidelines.  Cross-posted messages will be
returned to the sender.

The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists
(barred and OK lists).  Those who are on the barred list are barred from
posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically rejected.
Those on the OK list are automatically approved.  Those who are on
neither list are subject to manual moderation.

Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list.

Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out"
basis.  Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike.
Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike.
Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a
period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be subject
to manual moderation.  Authors who are placed on the barred list three
times are then left on the barred list permanently.

Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will
be placed on the OK list.  Authors who are on the OK list but then do
not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list.

Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be posted
with a PGP signature in the header.  A daemon program will search for
unauthorized posts and delete them.

Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations will
be sent back to posters.

First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter
and the rec.martial-arts FAQ.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Moderator:  Joao de Souza <jdsouza@nywork2.undp.org>
Moderator:  Erica Friedman <e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com>
Moderator:  Stephen Gombosi <sog@rmi.net>
Moderator:  Frank Ishizaki <frankishi@earthlink.net>
Moderator:  Richard Kim <variable@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Moderator:  Karen Nagai <nagaiky@u.washington.edu>
Moderator:  Lauren Radner <radner@cray.com>
Moderator:  Don Wagner <dawagner@ix.netcom.com>
Moderator:  Brad Webb <bwe962@airmail.net>
Moderator:  Pai Yili <paiyili@fast.net>

Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since
mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do,
Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie
Jiu-jitsu.  He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do
and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao is
a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of the
driving forces behind this RFD.  He owns and moderates a web-site and
two mailing lists related to his work.

Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has been
doing Taijiquan for twelve years. She is an assistant administrator on
the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent contributor to rec.martial-
arts. She also has experience in aikido, and filipino martial arts.

Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25
years. He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado
Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA. He
holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in Hombu-
style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been a
regular contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts. His
training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat,
Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do. He currently trains in Brazilian
jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in Southern
California. Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early this year. He
has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums.

Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot of
art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips to
Korea every summer.  He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh Do
Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He has
also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently trains
Sambo.  Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and
participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists.

Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido,
Kendo, and Eskrima.  She has been studying since 1967 and holds a third
degree black belt in judo.  Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan, former
national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo.

Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan martial
art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo through
katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer karate class
at her company. She has organized and maintained those classes ever
since, and taught them for the last five or six years. After lurking a
while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting in 1991, and has
been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent poster, since
then. She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt to help steer
beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies of Death" are
still sometimes invoked by the exasperated.

Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate.  In addition
to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated
into his groups training over the past 15 years.

Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where he
operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo. He has 16 years experience in
karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and sandan in Shotokan.
He is an active competitor under the ITKF and AAU/ISKF.  Brad is also a
frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu
Center, Quakertown, PA (USA).  He began training in the art of Pai Lum
Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai Li
Lung.   He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora
Karate-do as well.  He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and
the Kungfu Mailing List.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for
a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal
is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes
(CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants
it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
  rec.martial-arts, rec.sport.fencing,
  alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan

and the following mailing lists:

  iaido-l@listserv.uoguelph.ca (iaido and kendo)
          Subcsribe via: listserv@listserv.uoguelph.ca
  taichichuan@ccsi.com (taichi)
          Subscribe via: majordomo@ccsi.com
  judo-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu (judo)
          Subscribe via: listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu
  aikido-l@psuvm.psu.edu (aikido)
          Subscribe via: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu
  jujutsu@psuvm.psu.edu (jujutsu)
          Subscribe via: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu
  karate@ukans.edu (cyber-dojo: traditional karate)
          Subscribe via: listserv@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu
  kyudo-l@teu1ws02.comp.pge.com (kyudo: Japanese archery)
          Subscribe via: kyudo-l-request@teu1ws02.comp.pge.com
  the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (Korean martial arts)
          Subscribe via: majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
  neijia@lists.stanford.edu (internal Chinese martial arts)
          Subscribe via: majordomo@lists.stanford.edu
  escrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (Filipino martial arts)
          Subscribe via: majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

Proponent: Neil Gendzwill <gendzwil@sedsystems.ca>

Neil Gendzwill is the author of the Japanese Sword Arts FAQ, frequent
contributor to the iaido-l mailing list and participates in any kendo-
related discussions that crop up on rec.martial-arts.  He has 14 years
experience in kendo and holds the rank of sandan.  He also has
experience in judo and aikido.

From mcq@wco.com Tue Aug  5 09:30:06 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
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Subject: CFV: rec.martial-arts.moderated moderated
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
              moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated

Newsgroups line:
rec.martial-arts.moderated	Martial-arts in general. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Neil Gendzwill <gendzwil@sedsystems.ca>
Mentor: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal
of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts
per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the
usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of
direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this,
the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the
group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists.  A sample of the
mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25
messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150
members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day;
escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day.

The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the
newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are
most likely to give up in disgust.  The martial-arts community in
general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and
awkward to access.

Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a
new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated.
Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace
rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for
martial arts.

CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all
aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and
the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts
community.

As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is
considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to:

 1) Technique.
 2) History.
 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore.
 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts.
 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system.
 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and
    seminars.
 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors.
 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes,
    websites.
 9) Periodically posted FAQs.

The following items are specifically off-topic:

 1) Commercial posts of any sort.
 2) Posts with no martial arts content.
 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing
    service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using
    PGP.  Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine.
    "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding
    instructions yield a verifiable address.
 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well-
    known martial artists.  Invitations to visit and compare notes, as
    long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic.
 5) "My art is better than yours" posts.  Comparing specific
    techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of
    one art's superiority are not.
 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique
    and tactics.  This is a contentious issue, but discussion of
    competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on-
    topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts
    related issues.
 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or
    fictional.
 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual
    orientation.
 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting.
10) Flamewars.  The group is not intended to be humourless, but when
    disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic.  Rule 2
    always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if
    mild/clever, is off-topic.

Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline:

 1) Messages may not contain large encoded binary files such as images
    or executables.  For the purposes of this rule, a large binary is
    defined as any post of which more than 40 lines or 3000 bytes are
    not readable by humans without decoding.  PGP signatures are
    acceptable.
 2) Messages should be composed in plain text.  Where MIME is used,
    the only MIME type allowed for the body content of a message is
    text/plain. MIME multiparts other than multipart/signed are not
    acceptable. HTML is not acceptable.
 3) Messages must contain a significant proportion of new, original
    text.
 4) Cross-posted messages are subject to the following limitations:
      a) The Followup-To: line must exist and may not contain
         rec.martial-arts.moderated.
      b) The message may not be cross-posted to more than 10 groups.
      c) In general, only periodic or administrative messages will be
         accepted as cross-posts, such as FAQs, RFDs or CFVs.
 5) Original line length should be 75 characters or less.
 6) Signatures should be no longer than 6 lines.
 7) Courtesy tags should be added to the title for the following
    cases:
    -  LONG:     messages longer than 200 lines
    -  COMP:     messages referring to competitions
    -  ANNOUNCE: messages which are announcements
    -  FAQ:      messages which are FAQs (LONG not necessary)

MODERATION METHODS

Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and
automated means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet
Moderation Program (STUMP).  Moderation facilities have been arranged
at a site with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high
capacity NNTP connection.

Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject
messages which violate the format guidelines.  Incorrectly
cross-posted messages will be returned to the sender.

The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists
(barred and OK lists).  Those who are on the barred list are barred
from posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically
rejected.  Those on the OK list are automatically approved.  Those who
are on neither list are subject to manual moderation.

Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list.

Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out"
basis.  Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike.
Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike.
Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a
period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be
subject to manual moderation.  Authors who are placed on the barred
list three times are then left on the barred list for at least one
year.

Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will
be placed on the OK list.  Authors who are on the OK list but then do
not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list.

Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be
posted with a PGP signature in the header.  A daemon program will
search for unauthorized posts and cancel them.

Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations
will be sent back to posters.

First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter
and the rec.martial-arts FAQ.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Moderator: Joao de Souza <jdsouza@nywork2.undp.org>

Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since
mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do,
Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie
Jiu-jitsu.  He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do
and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao
is a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of
the driving forces behind this RFD.  He owns and moderates a web-site
and two mailing lists related to his work.

Moderator: Erica Friedman <e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com>

Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has
been doing Taijiquan for twelve years.  She is an assistant
administrator on the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent
contributor to rec.martial-arts.  She also has experience in aikido
and filipino martial arts.

Moderator: Stephen Gombosi <sog@rmi.net>

Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25
years.  He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado
Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA.
He holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in
Hombu-style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been
a regular contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Moderator: Frank Ishizaki <frankishi@earthlink.net>

Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts.  His
training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat,
Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do.  He currently trains in
Brazilian jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in
Southern California.  Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early
this year.  He has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums.

Moderator: Richard Kim <variable@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>

Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot
of art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips
to Korea every summer.  He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh
Do Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He
has also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently
trains Sambo.  Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts
and participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists.

Moderator: Karen Nagai <nagaiky@u.washington.edu>

Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido,
Kendo, and Eskrima.  She has been studying since 1967 and holds a
third degree black belt in judo.  Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan,
former national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo.

Moderator: Lauren Radner <radner@cray.com>

Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan
martial art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo
through katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer
karate class at her company.  She has organized and maintained those
classes ever since, and taught them for the last five or six years.
After lurking a while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting
in 1991, and has been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent
poster, since then.  She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt
to help steer beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies
of Death" are still sometimes invoked by the exasperated.

Moderator: Don Wagner <dawagner@ix.netcom.com>

Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate.  In addition
to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated
into his groups training over the past 15 years.

Moderator: Brad Webb <bwe962@airmail.net>

Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where
he operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo.  He has 16 years
experience in karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and
sandan in Shotokan.  He is an active competitor under the ITKF and
AAU/ISKF.  Brad is also a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Moderator: Pai Yili <paiyili@fast.net>

Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu
Center, Quakertown, PA (USA).  He began training in the art of Pai Lum
Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai
Li Lung.  He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora
Karate-do as well.  He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts
and the Kungfu Mailing List.

Administrative contact address: rec-martial-arts-moderator@news.onramp.net
Article submission address: rec-martial-arts-moderated@news.onramp.net

END MODERATOR INFO.

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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
              moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated

Newsgroups line:
rec.martial-arts.moderated	Martial-arts in general. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Neil Gendzwill <gendzwil@sedsystems.ca>
Mentor: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal
of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts
per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the
usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of
direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this,
the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the
group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists.  A sample of the
mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25
messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150
members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day;
escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day.

The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the
newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are
most likely to give up in disgust.  The martial-arts community in
general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and
awkward to access.

Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a
new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated.
Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace
rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for
martial arts.

CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all
aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and
the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts
community.

As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is
considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to:

 1) Technique.
 2) History.
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 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts.
 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system.
 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and
    seminars.
 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors.
 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes,
    websites.
 9) Periodically posted FAQs.

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 1) Commercial posts of any sort.
 2) Posts with no martial arts content.
 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing
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    PGP.  Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine.
    "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding
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 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well-
    known martial artists.  Invitations to visit and compare notes, as
    long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic.
 5) "My art is better than yours" posts.  Comparing specific
    techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of
    one art's superiority are not.
 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique
    and tactics.  This is a contentious issue, but discussion of
    competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on-
    topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts
    related issues.
 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or
    fictional.
 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual
    orientation.
 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting.
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Moderator: Joao de Souza <jdsouza@nywork2.undp.org>

Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since
mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do,
Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie
Jiu-jitsu.  He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do
and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao
is a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of
the driving forces behind this RFD.  He owns and moderates a web-site
and two mailing lists related to his work.

Moderator: Erica Friedman <e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com>

Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has
been doing Taijiquan for twelve years.  She is an assistant
administrator on the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent
contributor to rec.martial-arts.  She also has experience in aikido
and filipino martial arts.

Moderator: Stephen Gombosi <sog@rmi.net>

Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25
years.  He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado
Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA.
He holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in
Hombu-style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been
a regular contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Moderator: Frank Ishizaki <frankishi@earthlink.net>

Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts.  His
training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat,
Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do.  He currently trains in
Brazilian jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in
Southern California.  Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early
this year.  He has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums.

Moderator: Richard Kim <variable@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>

Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot
of art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips
to Korea every summer.  He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh
Do Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He
has also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently
trains Sambo.  Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts
and participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists.

Moderator: Karen Nagai <nagaiky@u.washington.edu>

Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido,
Kendo, and Eskrima.  She has been studying since 1967 and holds a
third degree black belt in judo.  Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan,
former national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo.

Moderator: Lauren Radner <radner@cray.com>

Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan
martial art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo
through katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer
karate class at her company.  She has organized and maintained those
classes ever since, and taught them for the last five or six years.
After lurking a while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting
in 1991, and has been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent
poster, since then.  She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt
to help steer beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies
of Death" are still sometimes invoked by the exasperated.

Moderator: Don Wagner <dawagner@ix.netcom.com>

Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate.  In addition
to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated
into his groups training over the past 15 years.

Moderator: Brad Webb <bwe962@airmail.net>

Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where
he operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo.  He has 16 years
experience in karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and
sandan in Shotokan.  He is an active competitor under the ITKF and
AAU/ISKF.  Brad is also a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts.

Moderator: Pai Yili <paiyili@fast.net>

Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu
Center, Quakertown, PA (USA).  He began training in the art of Pai Lum
Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai
Li Lung.  He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora
Karate-do as well.  He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts
and the Kungfu Mailing List.

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                                RESULT
       moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated passes 284:23

There were 284 YES votes and 23 NO votes, for a total of 307 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

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moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
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Newsgroups line:
rec.martial-arts.moderated	Martial-arts in general. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Neil Gendzwill <gendzwil@sedsystems.ca>
Mentor: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal
of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts
per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the
usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of
direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this,
the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the
group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists.  A sample of the
mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25
messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150
members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day;
escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day.

The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the
newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are
most likely to give up in disgust.  The martial-arts community in
general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and
awkward to access.

Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a
new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated.
Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace
rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for
martial arts.

CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated

Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all
aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and
the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts
community.

As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is
considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to:

 1) Technique.
 2) History.
 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore.
 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts.
 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system.
 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and
    seminars.
 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors.
 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes,
    websites.
 9) Periodically posted FAQs.

The following items are specifically off-topic:

 1) Commercial posts of any sort.
 2) Posts with no martial arts content.
 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing
    service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using
    PGP.  Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine.
    "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding
    instructions yield a verifiable address.
 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well-
    known martial artists.  Invitations to visit and compare notes, as
    long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic.
 5) "My art is better than yours" posts.  Comparing specific
    techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of
    one art's superiority are not.
 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique
    and tactics.  This is a contentious issue, but discussion of
    competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on-
    topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts
    related issues.
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    fictional.
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    orientation.
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10) Flamewars.  The group is not intended to be humourless, but when
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rec.martial-arts.moderated Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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3cjmd@qlink.queensu.ca                                  Jaime M. de Castellvi
72633.3511@compuserve.com                         Gregory M. Avedissian, D.C.
acker@tfs.com                                                     James Acker
agluyt@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca                                Andrew Luyt
Aiki1@earthlink.net                                              Larry Novick
al715@yfn.ysu.edu                                                Tina M. Wood
amclane@u.washington.edu                                        Andrew McLane
andrew@babylon.riverside.ca.us                                 Andrew Tristan
aroytbur@tikva.chem.utoronto.ca                                Artur Roytburg
aspin@pureatria.com                                           David Aspinwall
award@ix.netcom.com                                                 Jeff Cobb
bainr@cyberbeach.net                                                 Ron Bain
balloon@eraserco.demon.co.uk                                   Malcolm Loades
baril@SEDSystems.ca                                                 Dan Baril
barnettj@utdallas.edu                                            Judy Barnett
bca@UDel.Edu                                                   Brian C. Allen
bcrowell@eos.ncsu.edu                                   David Bennett Crowell
bd@asu.edu                                                         Betty Dong
Ben@jimha.demon.co.uk                                      Benjamin Ainsworth
bill.muskett@which.net                                           Bill Muskett
billcav@pobox.com                                              Bill Cavanaugh
billn@alumni.stanford.org                                      Bill Northlich
bojak@hal1.physik.uni-dortmund.de                                  Ingo Bojak
bpchu@ucdavis.edu                                                   Bryan Chu
Bradley.Webb.webbm@nt.com                                     Bradley M. Webb
braun@wald.ucdavis.edu                                           Jerome Braun
brendan@celebrian.otago.ac.nz                                  Brendan Murray
bridges@cs.arizona.edu                                     Patrick G. Bridges
bud@cs.uky.edu                                                            bud
Carlos.Phillips@East.Sun.COM                                  Carlos Phillips
cde@is2.dal.ca                                    Champlain Karine Suzanne De
chungjc@board.tec.wi.us                                          JAYSON CHUNG
coop9g25@nortel.ca                                                   James Ho
cop95ajw@sheffield.ac.uk                                      Andrew J Walker
countermarch@usa.net                                           David A. Hicks
cowboy@VNET.IBM.COM                                          Richard A Nelson
craesly@micros.com                                                Carl Raesly
crockett@un.cs.byu.edu                                          Niki Thornock
cromwell@nortel.ca                                             David Cromwell
cschum@eecs.umich.edu                                        Corey Schumacher
Cunning@uconnvm.uconn.edu                                    Steve Cunningham
cvsjpd@gps.leeds.ac.uk                                        Jonathan Diesch
dannyp@sky.net                                                   Danny Porter
danp@leland.ncd.com                                              Dan Paquette
darrell@galois.nscf.org                                    Darrell G. Tangman
david@unico.com.au                                                  David Goh
dawagner@ix.netcom.com                                             Don Wagner
dc@panix.com                                                David W. Crawford
DeSalvatMJ@MASPO3.MAS.YALE.EDU                            Michael DeSalvatore
dfetter@oracle.com                                               David Fetter
dfrank@n-link.com                                                Teresa Frank
disrael@ia-us.com                                            Daniel R. Israel
DLNUMBER2@aol.com                                                Denis Loring
dormouse@wonderland.com                                           Damon Stone
drake@cis.uab.edu                                                  John Drake
dschroed@unix.tfs.net                                        Darren Schroeder
dsoetant@enws40.eas.asu.edu                                    Didik Soetanto
e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com                                           Erica Friedman
e4321541@student.uq.edu.au                                      Taro Sumitomo
ebg9706@unix.tamu.edu                                           Daniel Gorman
edberge@ibm.net                                                    Eric Berge
Edmund.Yuen@dsto.defence.gov.au                                   Edmund Yuen
Edward_Smith@neworder.com                                        Edward Smith
edwin.boatswain@virgin.net                                    Edwin Boatswain
ek@ws6502.gud.siemens.at                                          Ernst Krudl
eliasson@logan.msfc.nasa.gov                            Anders C. G. Eliasson
emoon@ix.netcom.com                                               Edward Moon
Eric.Tevis@PSS.Boeing.com                                   Eric Larson Teivs
erkki.hakala@multicom.fi                                         Erkki Hakala
esh7@cornell.edu                                                  Erik Harris
esteenpu@vub.ac.be                                               Eli Steenput
euthke@siam.muc.de                                             Ekkehard Uthke
eyeh@uclink.berkeley.edu                                             Eric Yeh
fici@kodak.com                                                Kristoffer Fici
fish_doc@hotmail.com                                             Keith Nelson
frankishi@earthlink.net                                        Frank Ishizaki
franza@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de                            Alexander Franz
fwong@tc.fluke.com                                                 Frank Wong
garstang@olypen.com                                               K. Grastang
geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com                                     Greg Garland
gendzwil@SEDSystems.ca                                         Neil Gendzwill
gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu                                   Eugene Tyurin
GeorgeWinter@msn.com                                            George Winter
gkong@istar.ca                                                      Gary Kong
glennk@pegasus.rutgers.edu                                    Glenn Kurtzrock
grc@sjld.demon.co.uk                                         Giles Chamberlin
gryphons@worldnet.att.net                                       Chas Clements
gt@avirt.com                                                   Giacomo Tufano
hammar@acm.org                                                    Neil Hammar
helgi@decode.is                                         Helgi Briem Magnusson
hh299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu                                    Jim Baranovich
hhoff@ragnarok.en.eunet.de                                 Holger Hoffstaette
Hick_Steve@ems.prc.com                                        Stephen C. Hick
Iallinson@iee.org                                                Ian Allinson
iclark@infi.net                                                    Ivan Clark
ingan@globalnet.co.uk                                 Udhishtran Senathirajah
J.Chaudhuri@asu.edu                                             Joy Chaudhuri
Jayn64@concentric.net                                       Anjali Nayegandhi
jbennett@lcc.net                                                 John Bennett
jbeST2+@pitt.edu                                                Jimmer ENDRES
jcl@phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                   John C. Leylegian
jcs@flatland.dimensional.com                                 Joseph C. Steger
jdg@but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                          John David Galt
jdsouza@nygate.undp.org                                         Joao de Souza
jeffery.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca                                  Jeffery D. Hunt
jeriwho@pipeline.com                                               Jeri Massi
jg3@st-andrews.ac.uk                                 Jeremy Gauntlett-Gilbert
jimodom@erols.com                                                    Jim Odom
jjanicik@execpc.com                                               Jim Janicik
jkeenan@tiac.net                                              James F. Keenan
jnay@intface.com                                               Jay Nayegandhi
joezone@pipeline.com                                            Joseph Giacco
John.Sluder@PSS.Boeing.com                                        John Sluder
John_Price@chiinc.com                                              John Price
jpatokal@cc.hut.fi                                            Jani Patokallio
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                        J. Porter Clark
jtnichol@indiana.edu                                              Jim Nichols
jtpatterson@msmail2.hac.com                                James T. Patterson
ju26+@andrew.cmu.edu                                             Jeffry Urban
julesd@fwb.gulf.net                                              Jules Dubois
jwalters@clark.net                                                Jim Walters
jwave@jwave.net                                                   John Jenkel
kai@mailer1.mpib-tuebingen.mpg.de                             Witte, Kai Erik
kari.taura@uta.fi                                                  Kari Taura
keltoi@atl.mindspring.com                                        Curtis Mills
ken@iways.com                                                      Ken Powell
kevinf@luna.co.uk                                                 Kevin Flood
kfrance@toto.csustan.edu                                      Kevin P. France
khill@fpmx.com                                                     Kevin Hill
Kiaimac@aol.com                                                Karen Zeleznik
kim@csc.canberra.edu.au                                           Kim Holburn
Kjartan.Clausen@ii.uib.no                                     Kjartan Clausen
KLaroch@aol.com                                             Karine Larochelle
lauri.karppinen@helsinki.fi                                   Lauri Karppinen
lawe6545@student.uu.se                                        Lars Westergren
leslies@sos.pwgsc.gc.ca                                          Scott Leslie
lfisher@garnet.acns.fsu.edu                                      Linda Fisher
lgd450@nwu.edu                                               Angela Guillozet
lkfox@gte.net                                                      Lisa K Fox
lobo@v-wave.com                                                      Palikero
lode@stekt.oulu.fi                                            Mikko Loytynoja
ltatum@lcc.net                                                     Luan Tatum
lucrezia@mindspring.com                                    Jennifer Ouellette
mabzug1@umbc.edu                                           Mordechai T. Abzug
macaw@jove.acs.unt.edu                                  Matthew Calvin Weigel
maf10@po.cwru.edu                                               Moses Fridman
maier@ebs330.eb.uah.edu                                            Mark Maier
malclyps@magicnet.net                                       Charles E. Kinney
mallis@iastate.edu                                           Robert J. Mallis
malmros@shore.net                                                Mary Malmros
maney@heathers2.stdio.com                                   Fredrich P. Maney
mark.oehrlein@infoadvan.com                                     Mark Oehrlein
Marza@aol.com                                             Martha S. Gallagher
matt@acrcorp.com                                                     Matt Leo
matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil                            Alex Matulich 03T1
metkat@halcyon.com                                             Russell Harmon
Mik9814274@aol.com                                         Michael E. Sheahon
mikek@ethos.net                                                   Mike Krantz
misj@hermes.prog.se                                           Michael Sjoelin
mklaes@holyrood.ed.ac.uk                                       Matthias Klaes
mlih@earthlink.net                                             Matthew M. Lih
mmsigman@ix.netcom.com                                            Mike Sigman
mortonr@hursley.ibm.com                                            Rob Morton
mrstu@well.com                                                    Janet Rosen
msoysal@mistik.express.net                                Mustafa Soysal MS57
msp@vii.com                                                      Mark Parratt
MSubias@ix.netcom.com                                         Marco S. Subias
muggy@jhu.edu                                                 Miguel Del Mazo
mullen@CES.ACES.UIUC.EDU                                     Anthony J Mullen
mursha@alumni.caltech.edu                                       Murali Sharma
mwhaught@netwalk.com                                           Michael Haught
mwjones@pond.com                                             Michael W. Jones
myrvoll@tele.ntnu.no                                        Tor Andre Myrvoll
nagaiky@u.washington.edu                                          Karen Nagai
nahate@juno.com                                                  Keith Clowes
neil@lightwork.co.uk                                             Neil Gatenby
neneu@aol.com                                                   Noelle E. Neu
nick@cimio.co.uk                                                Nick Waterman
NinjaWix@aol.com                                                   Paul Wicks
obiwan@planet.eon.net                                             Chris Evans
Orb@micron.net                                                    W. Orebaugh
osborn@socs.uts.edu.au                                             Tom Osborn
ostrick@physics.ucsd.edu                                      Jeffrey Ostrick
paiyili@fast.net                                                     Pai Yili
parr@netrunner.net                                                 Parr Hesia
pasipp@dlc.fi                                                    Pasi pvlvnen
patric@earthlink.net                                             Patrick Holt
Paul.Bernhardt@m.cc.utah.edu                                   Paul Bernhardt
paxil@inorth.on.ca                                             Trevor Tymchuk
PBOUCHER@novell.com                                          Peter K. Boucher
pce@world.std.com                                            Peter C. Everett
pczrad@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk                                 ROBIN DAMION
Peter.VanZant@PSS.Boeing.com                                   Peter Van Zant
peterme@cris.com                                             Michael E. Peter
pewatler@cyf-kr.edu.pl                                          Miguel Watler
phil@resumix.com                                               Philip Zeigler
pimentel@ultranet.com                                           John Pimentel
psheridan@mindspring.com                                        Pete Sheridan
psmith@BayNetworks.COM                                          Paul D. Smith
PSmithLaJ@aol.com                                                paul r smith
pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu                                Paolo Valladolid
r.b.lancashire@ncl.ac.uk                                   Richard Lancashire
radkins@bga.com                                                Richard Adkins
radner@cray.com                                              Lauren B. Radner
raholt@nbnet.nb.ca                                                Andrew Holt
rahuls+@postbox.ius.cs.cmu.edu                               Rahul Sukthankar
raj.venugopal@utoronto.ca                                    Rajeev Venugopal
randy13@texas.net                                                Randy Schaub
raph@spacelab.net                                                Raphael Wong
rar@csl.sri.com                                           Bob Riemenschneider
rem40@csc.canterbury.ac.nz                                         Evan McRae
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                               Richard Miller
RIHACZEKPA@afbmd.laafb.af.mil                                   Pete Rihaczek
rjpals@netnitco.net                                                Randy Pals
rkim@iadfw.net                                                      Julia Kim
rkovarik@vnet.net                                          Richard F. Kovarik
rks@world.std.com                                             Robert Suyemoto
Robert.Gunst@poet.de                                             Robert Gunst
robert@wrs.com                                               Robert Efroymson
RSJoseph@aol.com                                             Robert S. Joseph
rufinus@e-math.ams.org                                              J Rufinus
r_ortiz@sprynet.com                                     Roberto Ortiz Falagan
sal@panix.com                                                Salvatore Denaro
sarbani@webspan.net                                             Sarbani Dutta
SBIVHN@rulsfb.LeidenUniv.nl                                    Hugo M. Nijhof
sbuxton1@maine.rr.com                                            Steve Buxton
schan@best.com                                                   Stephen Chan
ScottSnyder@TheOffice.net                                        Scott Snyder
searchpro@engineer.com                                           Clay Stemple
sertl@ix.netcom.com                                                Scott Ertl
sfqve@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us                                      George Koehler
siebert@rzaix340.rz.uni-leipzig.de                               Dirk Siebert
siforte@aol.com                                                       SIForte
siforte@ix.netcom.com                                           Sanford Forte
sigbjorn.strommen@smedtech.com                                       Sigbjorn
simutis@ccnet3.ccnet.com                                         John Simutis
slepian@nb.net                                             R. Michael Slepian
sog@rmi.net                                                Stephen O. Gombosi
spinner@ce.udel.edu                                            Stuart Spinner
sprust@netzone.com                                                Steven Rust
sps@argonet.co.uk                                          Solomon Paul Sammy
stave@ctron.com                                                    Joel Stave
steffend@glitch.physics.colostate.edu                            Dave Steffen
Steve.Metsker@pscmail.ps.net                                    Steve Metsker
steve.reah@virgin.net                                              Steve Reah
Steve.Smith@ottawa.com                                  Kenneth Stephen Smith
stoddard@zko.dec.com                                        Peter E, Stoddard
stsai@husc.harvard.edu                                             S-C K Tsai
swcxt@boco.co.gov                                                Shane Castle
T.Barry@bath.ac.uk                                               Trevor Barry
tburns@utelco.tds.net                                        Timothy J. Burns
tcg3j@cs.virginia.edu                                                Tim Gion
tellner@cs.pdx.edu                                                Todd Ellner
Terry.Flanagan@lairbbs.co.za                                   Terry Flanagan
thomcat@ravine.binary.net                                       Thomas Howard
thornock@xmission.com                                        Gary D. Thornock
TimothyDRoot@chicago.avenew.com                                Timothy D Root
tindall@panix.com                                               Bruce Tindall
toly@wrq.com                                                     Anatoly Menn
toman@marge.cyber-dyne.com                                    Joseph J. Toman
tome@madvax.mo.ti.com                                               Tom Elrod
tore@ibg.uu.se                                                  Tore Eriksson
towl0008@tc.umn.edu                                            John R. Towler
tpoole@prodigy.net                                                  Tom Poole
ttamasu@netscape.com                                           Takashi Tamasu
tvalesky@patriot.net                                              Tom Valesky
twcdte@dante.lbl.gov                                               Terry Chan
uwe@weber.minda.de                                                  Uwe Weber
v-bernas@microsoft.com                                          Berna Slikker
valdesrj@mindless.com                                             Rich Valdes
variable@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu                                     Richard H Kim
vgiana@cscs.ch                                              Valerio Gianascio
W.Koster@rc.rug.nl                                              Willem Koster
wboag@c2t.com                                                    William Boag
weishaar@cig.mot.com                                         Michael Weishaar
wiesiek@hum.amu.edu.pl                                         Wieslaw RZADEK
willday@rom.oit.gatech.edu                                           Will Day
william_david.green@virgin.net                                     Dave Green
wmcclain@salamander.com                                          Bill McClain
wpwood@pswtech.com                                              Bill Woodward
wreth1@gl.umbc.edu                                            William Reth Jr
wsj10@aol.com                                                   William Jones
wtanksle@sdcc10.ucsd.edu                                     William Tanksley
www.coordi.com@worldnet.att.net                                   Tomas Ivers

Voted No
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booda@datasync.com                                            Martin H. Booda
brainstorms@mail.geocities.com                                    sarah green
chriseb@nortel.ca                                              Chris Ebenezer
cons@cbmi.upmc.edu                                        Constantin Aliferis
dashms@webpg.net                                                 Michael Dash
david.lecin@worldnet.att.net                                  David Zvi Lecin
dballard@cs.com                                                   Don Ballard
djed@juno.com                                            Geronimo Mockingbird
fyodor@nas.nasa.gov                                            Chris Kuszmaul
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu                                          G.P. Ryan
jesp@intercable.net                                     Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
jkramer1@swarthmore.edu                                         Joshua Kramer
natalie@col.hp.com                                             Natalie Ramsey
olav@viking.mv.com                                            Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                          Patrick J. LoPresti
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com                                           Ray Terry
red@rahul.net                                                     Red America
stainles@bga.com                                                 Dwight Brown
steiners@primenet.com                                           Jason Steiner
TravIsGod@aol.com                                         Travis J. McIlvenna
Webmaster@maitreya.demon.co.uk                                           SGWM
widenius@ling.helsinki.fi                                      Risto Widenius
zed@cjnetworks.com                                                Ned Fleming

Abstained
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marquez@pacbell.net                                             Aaron Marquez


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anon.RoniTX@match.com                                           John Clements
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case16@pop.erols.com                                            Yun Hyung Kim
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s930538@student.gu.edu.au                                         Sean Hatton
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swatkins@mail.enterprise.net                                    Simon Watkins
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