From rodeomscl@mindspring.com Thu Feb 12 18:30:05 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: rodeomscl <rodeomscl@mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: RFD: soc.support.aids.hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                moderated group soc.support.aids.hiv+

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated USENET
newsgroup.  This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you cannot vote at
this time.  Procedural details are listed below.  Please note that this
message will be posted to news.groups, and any discussion regarding this
RFD should be posted in this newsgroup only.

Newsgroup Line:
soc.support.aids.hiv+	HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, experience. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids.hiv+

Soc.support.aids.hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for the
interaction among persons living with the HIV virus or AIDS, and those
who may not be infected with the HIV virus but have messages of support
and/or advice for those people who do.  Unfortunately, like many other
USENET newsgroups, misc.health.aids suffers from excessive postings of
spam, off-topic posts and flame wars.  Persons living with the virus or
the disease itself have enough stress in their lives and don't need to
wade through postings that are vindictive, derogatory or abusive in
nature.

Further, although misc.health.aids and sci.med.aids are other groups
where messages regarding AIDS/HIV issues can be posted, they both have
either problems or circumstances that would prohibit the types of
messages soc.support.aids.hiv+ would encourage.  Misc.health.aids is
frequently ravaged by messages that perpetuate flame wars, and messages
from dissidents that many people living with the HIV virus or AIDS don't
care to sort through to get the kind of support or information they
really need.  Sci.med.aids has, as stated in its FAQ some strong
guidelines regarding the length of messages posted, and how much of each
original posting must be included in a reply.  Soc.support.aids.hiv+
will be a newsgroup free of the off-topic postings and dissident views
attributable to the newsgroup misc.health.aids & the guidelines as
stated in  sci.med.aids FAQ that "We ask that you send one or two line
quips as personal email to the original submitter rather than posting."
The moderators at soc.support.aids.hiv+ believe that when one person
helps another, this can also prove to be helpful to others who may have
the same question and therefore would allow for such a posting to be
submitted.

The following proposal for a new USENET newsgroup which will be
moderated is offered.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids.hiv+

Establish the newsgroup soc.support.aids.hiv+.

All of the moderators will remain adamantly impartial to who is posting
& true to the objective of the newly created group:  to foster a
community where knowledge can be shared among posters to the group to
support, edify and educate those who read the messages in the newly
created group

Examples of messages that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory comments directed at one or more persons, responses or
messages having nothing to do with aids, messages that presuppose or
assert the virus doesn't exist - misc.health.aids exists for such
dissident, and those messages having nothing to do with the main
objective of the group.  Also long, quoted material such as articles
from medical journals, study results, etc. should be posted in the form
of links to the articles or studies, with a brief summary of what the
article or study is about.  Advertisements would also be rejected.

Articles will first be sent through a robot randomizer.  To avoid the
criticism of having a robot moderator setup by one person with their own
opinions of what's proper and what's not, a randomizer will be used
instead of a robomoderator.  The randomizer will alternate among the
moderators so that each moderator receives his/her equal share of
messages.

Should any message posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be to the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or ask the opinion of the other moderators regarding the messages
disposition.  On rejection of the posting, the moderator will notify the
author of the original message by email.  This notification will include
the following:

- Notification that the article has been rejected and for what reason;
- Instructions on how to contact the moderating panel directly for
clarification as to why the posting was rejected;
- Instructions on how to contact another moderator for review of the
article and why it was rejected

No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the processing of
messages, however we expect that most submittals will be processed
within a 24-48 hour period from the date a message is submitted for
posting to the newsgroup.  The moderators are volunteers and as such
they are doing this on their own time - please be considerate of their
need for personal time.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids.hiv+

MODERATOR - Submission Address:  To Be Announced

The randomizer will forward each incoming message to one of four
moderators on the team.  The initial members of the team are:

Moderator: Ted C. Gancarz  <rodeomscl@mindspring.com> - Primary Moderator
Moderator: Ian Baird <ibaird@netcomuk.co.uk>
Moderator: Dr. Frank Greenberg, M.D. <frankg@zzapp.org>
Moderator: Mark Tangard  <mtangard@crl.com>

Members of the team may change or be added before the Call For Votes
(CFV).  The number of members of the moderating team will be no fewer
than 3 or more than 5.  Should a moderator leave the group for any
reason, or circumstances occur that will not allow for the minimum
number of moderators, applications for moderators will be accepted and
reviewed by the existing moderating board.  The newsgroup will continue
while the search for another moderator is initiated.

Should the actions of any member of the moderating team be brought to
question, a moderator will be removed by a majority vote of the
remaining members on the moderating board.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) not a Call For Votes (CFV). In
this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroup should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a period of at least 21 days not to exceed 28 days from the
date this RFD was first posted to the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups,
after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote
taker if the discussion warrants it.  No votes will be taken until the
CFV is announced.  All discussions regarding this proposal should be
posted to news.groups.

DISTRIBUTION:

news.groups
news.announce.newgroups
misc.health.aids
sci.med.aids

All messages regarding this proposal should be directed to the group
news.groups, the newsgroup responsible for the discussion of proposals
regarding new newsgroups.  When a Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it
will be posted to all the aforementioned newsgroups.

Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz <rodeomscl@mindspring.com>

From rodeomscl@mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 12:30:08 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: rodeomscl <rodeomscl@mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <887660249.8898@isc.org>
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated
USENET newsgroup.  This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you
cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are listed below.
Please note that this message will be posted to news.groups, and
any discussion regarding this RFD should be posted in this
newsgroup only.

Newsgroup Line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, help/advice. (Moderated)

CHANGES from previous RFD:

Name changed.

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although misc.health.aids and sci.med.aids are other groups where
messages regarding AIDS/HIV issues can be posted, they both have
either problems or circumstances that would prohibit the types of
messages soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage.  Misc.health.aids
is frequently ravaged by messages that perpetuate flame wars, and
messages from dissidents that many people living with the HIV
virus or AIDS don't care to sort through to get the kind of
support or information they really need.  Sci.med.aids has, as
stated in its FAQ some strong guidelines regarding the length of
messages posted, and how much of each original posting must be
included in a reply.  Soc.support.aids-hiv+ will be a newsgroup
free of the off-topic postings and dissident views attributable
to the newsgroup misc.health.aids & the guidelines as stated in
sci.med.aids FAQ that "We ask that you send one or two line quips
as personal email to the original submitter rather than
posting."  The moderators at soc.support.aids-hiv+ believe that
when one person helps another, this can also prove to be helpful
to others who may have the same question and therefore would
allow for such a posting to be submitted.

The following proposal for a new USENET newsgroup which will be
moderated is offered.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Establish the newsgroup soc.support.aids-hiv+.

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established
for the interaction among persons living with the HIV virus or
AIDS, friends and family of persons living with AIDS or who are
infected by the HIV virus and those who may not be infected with
the HIV virus but have messages of support and/or advice for
those people who do.  Unfortunately, like many other USENET
newsgroups, misc.health.aids suffers from excessive postings of
spam, off-topic posts and flame wars.  Persons living with the
virus or the disease itself have enough stress in their lives and
don't need to wade through postings that are vindictive,
derogatory or abusive in nature.

All of the moderators will remain adamantly impartial to who is
posting & true to the objective of the newly created group:  to
foster a community where knowledge can be shared among posters to
the group to support, edify and educate those who read the
messages in the newly created group

Examples of messages that would be rejected are those which
include inflammatory comments directed at one or more persons,
responses or messages having nothing to do with aids, messages
that presuppose or assert the virus doesn't exist -
misc.health.aids exists for such dissident postings, and those
messages having nothing to do with the main objective of the
group.  Also long, quoted material such as articles from medical
journals, study results, etc. should be posted in the form of
links to the articles or studies, with a brief summary of what
the article or study is about.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected.  Examples
of advertisements that would be rejected are those promising
certain guaranteed results like "viral load reduced by almost 50%
guaranteed when you use our product" or viatical settlement
advertisements.  Ads announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be
accepted, but only after the site has been checked out by a
moderator first, to assure the site is what it claims to be.
Messages stating that a person uses "Dr. John Smith's Cream" for
treatment of a certain condition would be allowed.  This is how
people learn about what other people are doing that might be
successful for them as well.

Postings by anonymous senders are of course welcomed.  Knowing
that there still exists, even after several years, too much
ignorance and prejudice in society it's understandable that
someone would want to protect themselves and/or their families.

Articles will first be sent through a robot randomizer.  To avoid
the criticism of having a robot moderator setup by one person
with their own opinions of what's proper and what's not, a
randomizer will be used instead of a robomoderator.  The
randomizer will alternate among the moderators so that each
moderator receives his/her equal share of messages.

Should any message posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in
this charter, it will be to the moderator's discretion to reject
the article or ask the opinion of the other moderators regarding
the messages disposition.  On rejection of the posting, the
moderator will notify the author of the original message by
email.  This notification will include the following:

* Notification that the article has been rejected and for what
reason;
* Instructions on how to contact the moderating panel directly
for clarification as to why the posting   was rejected;
* Instructions on how to contact another moderator for review of
the article and why it was rejected

No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the
processing of messages, however we expect that most submittals
will be processed within a 24-48 hour period from the date a
message is submitted for posting to the newsgroup.  The
moderators are volunteers and as such they are doing this on
their own time - please be considerate of their need for personal
time.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Submission Address: To Be Announced

The randomizer will forward each incoming message to one of four
moderators on the team.  The initial members of the team are:

Moderator: Ted C. Gancarz <rodeomscl@mindspring.com> - Primary Moderator
Moderator: Ian Baird <ibaird@netcomuk.co.uk>
Moderator: Dr. Frank Greenberg, M.D.  <frankg@zzapp.org>
Moderator: Mark Tangard  <mtangard@crl.com>

Members of the team may change or be added before the Call For
Votes (CFV).  The number of members of the moderating team will
be no fewer than 3 or more than 5.  Should a moderator leave the
group for any reason, or circumstances occur that will not allow
for the minimum number of moderators, applications for moderators
will be accepted and reviewed by the existing moderating board.
The newsgroup will continue while the search for another
moderator is initiated.

Should the actions of any member of the moderating team be
brought to question, a moderator will be removed by a majority
vote of the remaining members on the moderating board.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) not a Call For Votes
(CFV). In this phase of the process, any potential problems with
the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved.  The
discussion period will continue for a period of at least 21 days
not to exceed 28 days from the date this RFD was first posted to
the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups, after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it.  No votes will be taken until the CFV is
announced.  All discussions regarding this proposal should be
posted to news.groups.

DISTRIBUTION

news.groups
news.announce.newgroups
misc.health.aids
sci.med.aids

All messages regarding this proposal should be directed to the
group news.groups, the newsgroup responsible for the discussion
of proposals regarding new newsgroups.  When a Call For Votes
(CFV) is issued, it will be posted to all the aforementioned
newsgroups.

Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz <rodeomscl@mindspring.com>

From bmailman@hooked.deleeetemeee.net Thu Apr 16 03:00:14 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.deleeetemeee.net>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: 3rd RFD: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <892720318.25367@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9966 news.groups:278653 misc.health.aids:26581

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated USENET
newsgroup.  This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you cannot vote at
this time.  Procedural details are listed below.  Please note that all
discussion regarding this RFD take place in the newsgroup news.groups.

Newsgroup Line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, help/advice. (Moderated)

CHANGES from previous RFD:

CHARTER changes have been made to more clearly specify what articles are
acceptable and/or unacceptable.
RATIONALE changes have been made to clarify focus of group.
MODERATION POLICY changes have been made to include the use of a
robomoderator, along with the addition of new members of the moderation
panel.

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could
be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

The following proposal for a new moderated USENET group is offered
below.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS.  Postings of
this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is messages of support to and from people with the HIV virus,
articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of
_____ at home. I feel _______ about it.  Does anyone have any
suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group
may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in
such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be included in the
FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles announcing newly established web sites that would prove
beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after
the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is
what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included in the
Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or
use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed
by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is
done at one's own risk.

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example:  herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
theraputic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

MODERATION INFORMATION

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator.  The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the processing of
articles; however, we expect that most submissions will be processed
within a 24-48 hour period.

The robomoderator will forward each referred incoming article to one of
the moderators on the team.

Members of the moderation team may change or be added before the Call
For Votes (CFV).  Should a moderator leave the group for any reason,
applications for moderators will be accepted and reviewed by the
existing moderating panel.  The newsgroup will continue to function
while the search for a replacement moderator is conducted.

Should the actions of any of the moderators be brought to question, an
investigation into the matter will be conducted.  A moderator will be
removed by a supermajority vote of the members on the moderating panel
following an investigation into the matter.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Submission Address: To Be Announced

The initial members of the team are:

Head Moderator:     Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:          Ted C. Gancarz <dante21@ibm.net>
Moderator:          David A. Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:          Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>

Backup Moderator:   Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Backup Moderator:   Benny F.P. Sevilla <ben@netcom.com>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a Request For Discussion (RFD), not a Call For Votes (CFV).  In
this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroup should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will
continue for a period of at least 21 days not to exceed 28 days from the
date this RFD was first posted to the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups,
after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote
taker if the discussion warrants it.  No votes will be taken until the
CFV is announced.  All discussions regarding this proposal should be
posted to news.groups.

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
misc.health.aids
sci.med.aids (Moderator has requested this be posted under separate cover)

When a Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will be posted to all the
aforementioned newsgroups.

Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz <rodeomscl@mindspring.com>
Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David A. Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>

From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jun  9 17:15:05 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <897436821.29018@isc.org>
References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:00:21 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10186 news.groups:287399 misc.health.aids:28516

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Ted Gancarz <dante21@ibm.net>
Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  intead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.

This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.

At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent
accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged"
address he cannot decipher immediately.

Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <neilc@stanford.edu>.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
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DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
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| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+
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| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated)

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

DISTRIBUTION:

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PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
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From neilc@stanford.edu Sun Jun 21 22:30:05 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <898493013.18262@isc.org>
References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org>
Supersedes: <897436821.29018@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 05:23:33 GMT
Lines: 217
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10221 news.groups:288407 misc.health.aids:28898 sci.med.aids:24422

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  intead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.

This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.

At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent
accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged"
address he cannot decipher immediately.

Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <neilc@stanford.edu>.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <SSA-0002> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated)

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

DISTRIBUTION:

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

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soc.support.aids-hiv+ Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bouvin@daimi.aau.dk                                           Niels Olof Bouvin
cuzkarel@pacifier.com                                              Cousin Karel
ttyler@XRemXairmail.net                                         Mickael Olliver
vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com                                  Vince Vielhaber

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu

From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 02:10:13 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <898506610.3253@isc.org>
References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org>
Supersedes: <897436821.29018@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 05:23:33 GMT
Lines: 217
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10222 news.groups:288426 misc.health.aids:28910 sci.med.aids:24425

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  intead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.

This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.

At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent
accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged"
address he cannot decipher immediately.

Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <neilc@stanford.edu>.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <SSA-0002> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated)

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============

DISTRIBUTION:

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

ba.motss
soc.motss

soc.support.aids-hiv+ Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bouvin@daimi.aau.dk                                           Niels Olof Bouvin
cuzkarel@pacifier.com                                              Cousin Karel
ttyler@XRemXairmail.net                                         Mickael Olliver
vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com                                  Vince Vielhaber

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu

From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:00 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <898537678.21387@isc.org>
References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org>
Supersedes: <898506610.3253@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:47:58 GMT
Lines: 217
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10223 news.groups:288435 misc.health.aids:28913

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

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cuzkarel@pacifier.com                                              Cousin Karel
ttyler@XRemXairmail.net                                         Mickael Olliver
vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com                                  Vince Vielhaber

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From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:01 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids
Subject: cmsg cancel <898493013.18262@isc.org>
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Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <898493013.18262.93020@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:45:00 GMT
Lines: 2
Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2502897

Cancelled by news.announce.newgroups moderator because it was not
approved for sci.med.aids.

From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:09 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids
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Cancelled by news.announce.newgroups moderator because it was not
approved for sci.med.aids.

From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jul  6 12:15:09 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18
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                                RESULT
         moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18

There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.



soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list

Voted YES
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jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca                                     Rich Lafferty
tboul [at] escape.ca                                             Tammy Boulard
eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca                                         Hadass Eviatar
jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca                              Mike Jankulak
dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca                                       David Canzi
igor [at] Algebra.Com                                              Igor Chudov
ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com                         Jeff Winett   ChefJeff1@aol.com
desiegel [at] aol.com                                             D. E. Siegel
Fk349fj [at] aol.com                                                   Frankie
Harussell [at] aol.com                                            Hugh Russell
MeCorinne [at] aol.com                                      Corinne R. Tribley
misssway [at] aol.com                                     Jennifer A. Cummings
NinaSalk [at] aol.com                                              Nina Salkin
OnQBiz [at] aol.com                                            CHARLES SCHNALL
smastr [at] aol.com                                                Sam Masters
valeriepg [at] aol.com                                          Valerie Romano
cooterx [at] bga.com                                        George Stallsworth
verbeek [at] bigfoot.com                                          Todd VerBeek
jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                      John David Galt
mtangard [at] crl.com                                             Mark Tangard
mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com                                        Mimi Hiller
eridani [at] databasix.com                                             Belinda
gburnore [at] databasix.com                                    Gary L. Burnore
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon)
sophjxl [at] dnai.com                                             Sophie Miron
mikel [at] dosbears.com                                            Mike Lipsie
syman [at] execpc.com                                              Mark Hagner
kpascoe [at] ford.com                                             Kathy Pascoe
harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com                          Sam Hayes Merritt, III
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis (Jewell) Whalen
dilickjm [at] home.com                                             John Dilick
celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com                                      Peter Byron
danberkes [at] hotmail.com                                          Dan Berkes
vbteach [at] hotmail.com                                             S Delaney
evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com                                  Evan Kirshenbaum
wildwood [at] i-2000.com                                     Hope D. Schraeter
annie [at] interlog.com                                             Paula Taft
phloem [at] islandnet.com                                        Mike Sugimoto
ripple [at] itis.com                                              Roger Lipsey
dougob [at] javanet.com                                             D. O'Brien
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chris [at] lodesys.com                                             Chris Daley
dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com                                          Dee Jones
vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com                                    Vince Vielhaber
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
franmc [at] mindspring.com                                 Michael J. McGuigan
jermanoj [at] mindspring.com                                    John A Jermano
scarborough [at] mindspring.com                               Bill Scarborough
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com                                    Anthony J. Rzepela
bkeith [at] netcom.com                                          B. Keith Ryder
gazissax [at] netcom.com                                        Lynn Gazis-Sax
Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com                                  Laura K. Sunderlin
pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com                                         Pepper Marts
raifft [at] ix.netcom.com                                       Beth Greenfeld
valstark [at] ix.netcom.com                                      Valerie Stark
jeev [at] netcom.com                                               Ellen Evans
tittle [at] netcom.com                                      Cindy Tittle Moore
petersky [at] nwnexus.com                                      Claire Petersky
cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com                                        Cousin Karel
wbaker [at] panix.com                                              Wendy Baker
sharon [at] paonline.com                                         Sharon Odmann
rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com                                    Bob Russell
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
rhys [at] primenet.com                                              Rowan Rhys
maya [at] saipan.com                                              Maya B. Kara
evergene [at] sirius.com                                           Gene Heller
brig [at] spdcc.com                                               Brian Gollum
fj [at] spdcc.com                                            F.J. van Wingerde
ahall [at] world.std.com                                           Andrew Hall
dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff
psego [at] world.std.com                                          Phillip Sego
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                                Mark Hood
Dmckeon [at] swcp.com                                             Denis McKeon
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
daver [at] teleport.com                                         David Reynolds
joele [at] tminet.com                                             Joel Ehrlich
dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com                                           David Kaye
ssantoro [at] voicetek.com                                     Stefano Santoro
bjf [at] wavefront.com                                           Beth Friedman
davids [at] wco.com                                             Dave Schreiber
sunshine [at] westworld.com                                      Stephanie Lee
tresnick [at] women.com                                            Ted Resnick
rbparker [at] writeme.com                                           Ron Parker
barb [at] altoetting-online.de                              Dr. Barbara Heller
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                      Ekkehard Uthke
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de                                      Victor Sack
bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk                                     Niels Olof Bouvin
rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu                                         Rajwinder Singh
nmcnelly [at] bu.edu                                            N.A.F. McNelly
duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu                                   Duane T. Williams
jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu                         Jeliza Patterson
taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu                                         Todd A. Farmerie
ahaines [at] indiana.edu                                           Anne Haines
tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu                                  Tim Wilson
degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu                                  David de Graaf
em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu                                           Edward Mathews
HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU                             ROBERT S. HOLZMAN
meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU                                         meg worley
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu                                       Tane' Tachyon
nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu                                       Naomi L. Lacy
phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu                                      maxine in ri
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu                                            Tina M. Wood
rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr                             Maurice Rosenfelder
franckey [at] imaginet.fr                                     Franckey Rougane
philp [at] normandnet.fr                                                 Philp
jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                    J. Porter Clark
heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il                                         Ruth Heiges
morasca [at] elet.polimi.it                                     Sandro Morasca
cdadair1 [at] airmail.net                                        Cynthia Adair
ttyler [at] airmail.net                                        Mickael Olliver
tamale [at] aloha.net                                                 C Parras
dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net                                  Dennis Dale Calhoun
brownsta [at] concentric.net                                        Stan Brown
saiga [at] concentric.net                                   Charles L. Gifford
jrj [at] access.digex.net                                    Joseph R. Justice
geoshaw [at] earthlink.net                                      George E. Shaw
maryf [at] earthlink.net                                             Mary Frye
maxstern [at] earthlink.net                                          Max Stern
tailgate [at] earthlink.net                                        Bobbie Best
lexf [at] epix.net                                        Irene Stern Friedman
lucas [at] erie.net                                              DonPaul Lucas
tsingh [at] gte.net                                                   T. Singh
uniq97 [at] gte.net                                         Judith K. Lawrence
wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net                                     Bruce L. Mailman
bmailman [at] hooked.net                                         Brian Mailman
lanzyg [at] ibm.net                                           Garrett R. Lanzy
ganymede [at] insync.net                                     Greg R. Broderick
hartmans [at] mediaone.net                                         Kay Hartman
bpsevil [at] pacbell.net                                         Benny Sevilla
totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net                 Rodger Whitlock
mtschiffer [at] pe.net                                            m t schiffer
alexdawson [at] pemail.net                                         Alex Dawson
notime [at] pinn.net                                            Vickie Fleming
shira [at] qnis.net                                         Shira Rachel Maled
carol-arie [at] usa.net                                         CAROL PETERSON
fliegel [at] usa.net                                             Birgitta Wade
pikboca [at] webtv.net                                         Phyllis Kinsler
michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl                           Michael Nieuwenhuizen
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar
rossde [at] acm.org                                              David E. Ross
smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org                                       Stephen McNeil
mlw [at] ams.org                                                maxine wolfson
vote [at] erle.org                                                 Tobias Erle
nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org                                       Nat Makarevitch
m.russell [at] iaea.org                                         Marian Russell
ronsullivan [at] igc.org                                     Veronica Sullivan
peewee [at] scc.mi.org                                            Jason Wright
michelle [at] michelle.org                                    Michelle Steiner
denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org                                 Jay Denebeim,,,,
zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org                                  Cheryl Martin,,,,
ben [at] QueerNet.ORG                                             Ben Gardiner
leith [at] QueerNet.ORG                                              Leith Chu
rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG                                    Roger B.A. Klorese
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org                                     Jack Hamilton
andreah [at] utj.org                                            Andrea Herrera
ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk                                        Ben Evans
lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk                                 Lyn David Thomas
Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk                                            AST
brecon [at] dircon.co.uk                                         Debbie Lampon
kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us                                       Ken Fricklas
Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us                                 James Michael Hayes

Voted NO
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yan [at] storm.ca                                            Yves Bellefeuille
kimdv [at] best.com                                               Kim DeVaughn
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
eab [at] cray.com                                                   ed bertsch
lcs [at] zk3.dec.com                                               Larry Smith
bob149 [at] efortress.com                                        Bob Blanchard
tperry [at] efws.com                                                 Tom Perry
jsd [at] gamespot.com                                              Jon Drukman
jason [at] gaydeceiver.com                                       Jason Steiner
todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com                                          Todd Miller
dc [at] panix.com                                            David W. Crawford
kahuna [at] panix.com                                       Andrew Finkenstadt
llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu                                   Noel Llopis
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
vpdura [at] hiwaay.net                                                vic dura
shaneh [at] texoma.net                                           Shane Hartman
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                         Simon Lyall
john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk                                   john@blackdog

Abstained
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ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu                                   Eric Stieglitz

Invalid votes
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davew [at] walltech.com                                           David Weigel
    ! Undeliverable address
strotz [at] massed.net                                             Susan Trotz
    ! No vote statement in message


-- 
Neil Crellin, UVV <neilc@stanford.edu>

From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jul 14 05:39:18 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18
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                                RESULT
         moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18

There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.



soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list

Voted YES
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca                                     Rich Lafferty
tboul [at] escape.ca                                             Tammy Boulard
eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca                                         Hadass Eviatar
jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca                              Mike Jankulak
dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca                                       David Canzi
igor [at] Algebra.Com                                              Igor Chudov
ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com                         Jeff Winett   ChefJeff1@aol.com
desiegel [at] aol.com                                             D. E. Siegel
Fk349fj [at] aol.com                                                   Frankie
Harussell [at] aol.com                                            Hugh Russell
MeCorinne [at] aol.com                                      Corinne R. Tribley
misssway [at] aol.com                                     Jennifer A. Cummings
NinaSalk [at] aol.com                                              Nina Salkin
OnQBiz [at] aol.com                                            CHARLES SCHNALL
smastr [at] aol.com                                                Sam Masters
valeriepg [at] aol.com                                          Valerie Romano
cooterx [at] bga.com                                        George Stallsworth
verbeek [at] bigfoot.com                                          Todd VerBeek
jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                      John David Galt
mtangard [at] crl.com                                             Mark Tangard
mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com                                        Mimi Hiller
eridani [at] databasix.com                                             Belinda
gburnore [at] databasix.com                                    Gary L. Burnore
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon)
sophjxl [at] dnai.com                                             Sophie Miron
mikel [at] dosbears.com                                            Mike Lipsie
syman [at] execpc.com                                              Mark Hagner
kpascoe [at] ford.com                                             Kathy Pascoe
harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com                          Sam Hayes Merritt, III
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis (Jewell) Whalen
dilickjm [at] home.com                                             John Dilick
celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com                                      Peter Byron
danberkes [at] hotmail.com                                          Dan Berkes
vbteach [at] hotmail.com                                             S Delaney
evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com                                  Evan Kirshenbaum
wildwood [at] i-2000.com                                     Hope D. Schraeter
annie [at] interlog.com                                             Paula Taft
phloem [at] islandnet.com                                        Mike Sugimoto
ripple [at] itis.com                                              Roger Lipsey
dougob [at] javanet.com                                             D. O'Brien
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chris [at] lodesys.com                                             Chris Daley
dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com                                          Dee Jones
vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com                                    Vince Vielhaber
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
franmc [at] mindspring.com                                 Michael J. McGuigan
jermanoj [at] mindspring.com                                    John A Jermano
scarborough [at] mindspring.com                               Bill Scarborough
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com                                    Anthony J. Rzepela
bkeith [at] netcom.com                                          B. Keith Ryder
gazissax [at] netcom.com                                        Lynn Gazis-Sax
Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com                                  Laura K. Sunderlin
pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com                                         Pepper Marts
raifft [at] ix.netcom.com                                       Beth Greenfeld
valstark [at] ix.netcom.com                                      Valerie Stark
jeev [at] netcom.com                                               Ellen Evans
tittle [at] netcom.com                                      Cindy Tittle Moore
petersky [at] nwnexus.com                                      Claire Petersky
cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com                                        Cousin Karel
wbaker [at] panix.com                                              Wendy Baker
sharon [at] paonline.com                                         Sharon Odmann
rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com                                    Bob Russell
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
rhys [at] primenet.com                                              Rowan Rhys
maya [at] saipan.com                                              Maya B. Kara
evergene [at] sirius.com                                           Gene Heller
brig [at] spdcc.com                                               Brian Gollum
fj [at] spdcc.com                                            F.J. van Wingerde
ahall [at] world.std.com                                           Andrew Hall
dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff
psego [at] world.std.com                                          Phillip Sego
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                                Mark Hood
Dmckeon [at] swcp.com                                             Denis McKeon
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
daver [at] teleport.com                                         David Reynolds
joele [at] tminet.com                                             Joel Ehrlich
dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com                                           David Kaye
ssantoro [at] voicetek.com                                     Stefano Santoro
bjf [at] wavefront.com                                           Beth Friedman
davids [at] wco.com                                             Dave Schreiber
sunshine [at] westworld.com                                      Stephanie Lee
tresnick [at] women.com                                            Ted Resnick
rbparker [at] writeme.com                                           Ron Parker
barb [at] altoetting-online.de                              Dr. Barbara Heller
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                      Ekkehard Uthke
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de                                      Victor Sack
bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk                                     Niels Olof Bouvin
rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu                                         Rajwinder Singh
nmcnelly [at] bu.edu                                            N.A.F. McNelly
duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu                                   Duane T. Williams
jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu                         Jeliza Patterson
taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu                                         Todd A. Farmerie
ahaines [at] indiana.edu                                           Anne Haines
tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu                                  Tim Wilson
degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu                                  David de Graaf
em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu                                           Edward Mathews
HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU                             ROBERT S. HOLZMAN
meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU                                         meg worley
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu                                       Tane' Tachyon
nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu                                       Naomi L. Lacy
phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu                                      maxine in ri
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu                                            Tina M. Wood
rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr                             Maurice Rosenfelder
franckey [at] imaginet.fr                                     Franckey Rougane
philp [at] normandnet.fr                                                 Philp
jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                    J. Porter Clark
heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il                                         Ruth Heiges
morasca [at] elet.polimi.it                                     Sandro Morasca
cdadair1 [at] airmail.net                                        Cynthia Adair
ttyler [at] airmail.net                                        Mickael Olliver
tamale [at] aloha.net                                                 C Parras
dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net                                  Dennis Dale Calhoun
brownsta [at] concentric.net                                        Stan Brown
saiga [at] concentric.net                                   Charles L. Gifford
jrj [at] access.digex.net                                    Joseph R. Justice
geoshaw [at] earthlink.net                                      George E. Shaw
maryf [at] earthlink.net                                             Mary Frye
maxstern [at] earthlink.net                                          Max Stern
tailgate [at] earthlink.net                                        Bobbie Best
lexf [at] epix.net                                        Irene Stern Friedman
lucas [at] erie.net                                              DonPaul Lucas
tsingh [at] gte.net                                                   T. Singh
uniq97 [at] gte.net                                         Judith K. Lawrence
wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net                                     Bruce L. Mailman
bmailman [at] hooked.net                                         Brian Mailman
lanzyg [at] ibm.net                                           Garrett R. Lanzy
ganymede [at] insync.net                                     Greg R. Broderick
hartmans [at] mediaone.net                                         Kay Hartman
bpsevil [at] pacbell.net                                         Benny Sevilla
totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net                 Rodger Whitlock
mtschiffer [at] pe.net                                            m t schiffer
alexdawson [at] pemail.net                                         Alex Dawson
notime [at] pinn.net                                            Vickie Fleming
shira [at] qnis.net                                         Shira Rachel Maled
carol-arie [at] usa.net                                         CAROL PETERSON
fliegel [at] usa.net                                             Birgitta Wade
pikboca [at] webtv.net                                         Phyllis Kinsler
michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl                           Michael Nieuwenhuizen
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar
rossde [at] acm.org                                              David E. Ross
smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org                                       Stephen McNeil
mlw [at] ams.org                                                maxine wolfson
vote [at] erle.org                                                 Tobias Erle
nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org                                       Nat Makarevitch
m.russell [at] iaea.org                                         Marian Russell
ronsullivan [at] igc.org                                     Veronica Sullivan
peewee [at] scc.mi.org                                            Jason Wright
michelle [at] michelle.org                                    Michelle Steiner
denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org                                 Jay Denebeim,,,,
zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org                                  Cheryl Martin,,,,
ben [at] QueerNet.ORG                                             Ben Gardiner
leith [at] QueerNet.ORG                                              Leith Chu
rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG                                    Roger B.A. Klorese
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org                                     Jack Hamilton
andreah [at] utj.org                                            Andrea Herrera
ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk                                        Ben Evans
lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk                                 Lyn David Thomas
Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk                                            AST
brecon [at] dircon.co.uk                                         Debbie Lampon
kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us                                       Ken Fricklas
Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us                                 James Michael Hayes

Voted NO
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yan [at] storm.ca                                            Yves Bellefeuille
kimdv [at] best.com                                               Kim DeVaughn
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
eab [at] cray.com                                                   ed bertsch
lcs [at] zk3.dec.com                                               Larry Smith
bob149 [at] efortress.com                                        Bob Blanchard
tperry [at] efws.com                                                 Tom Perry
jsd [at] gamespot.com                                              Jon Drukman
jason [at] gaydeceiver.com                                       Jason Steiner
todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com                                          Todd Miller
dc [at] panix.com                                            David W. Crawford
kahuna [at] panix.com                                       Andrew Finkenstadt
llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu                                   Noel Llopis
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
vpdura [at] hiwaay.net                                                vic dura
shaneh [at] texoma.net                                           Shane Hartman
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                         Simon Lyall
john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk                                   john@blackdog

Abstained
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ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu                                   Eric Stieglitz

Invalid votes
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davew [at] walltech.com                                           David Weigel
    ! Undeliverable address
strotz [at] massed.net                                             Susan Trotz
    ! No vote statement in message


-- 
Neil Crellin, UVV <neilc@stanford.edu>

From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jul 14 06:18:19 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids
Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:03:17 GMT
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                                RESULT
         moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18

There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.aids-hiv+	Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Proponent: David Howard <cipher@mindspring.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be
posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or
discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would
encourage.

Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial
freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that
exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be.

The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated
newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented
postings.  Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on
AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its
location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of
HIV/AIDS rather than support.

CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for
interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS.  Friends and
family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have
questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS
or HIV.

This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving
or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this
nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as
newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic.  If they require
immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate
resources.

During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will
include some of these resources.  Although the primary focus of the
group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the
HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out
taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have
any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the
group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help
someone in such a situation.  Resources for caregivers will also be
included in the FAQ.

People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a
way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response.

Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include
inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people,
responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that
assert the virus doesn't exist.  In addition, extended articles (entire
journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for
sci.med.aids.  Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup.
Crossposted articles will not be accepted.

Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular
those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements.
Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that
would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but
only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the
site is what the poster claims it to be.  A disclaimer will be included
in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to
treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are
not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these
suggestions, it is done at one's own risk."

Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too
much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many
years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect
themselves and/or their families.

Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or
therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy,
therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed.

Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator
will handle the initial screening of the articles.  Further information
regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/

Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this
charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article
or refer it to the moderation board for disposition.  Should the
moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the
article will be notified by email. This notification will include the
following:

*The reason or reasons for the rejection
*Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree
with the decision of the moderator(s).

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+

Moderator:  Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>
Moderator:  "David A. Howard" <cipher@mindspring.com>
Moderator:  Joe Thomas <joethomas@cuhk.edu.hk>
Moderator:  Debbie Lampon <debbiel@tht.org.uk>
Moderator:  "Benny F.P. Sevilla" <ben@netcom.com>

Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org
Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com

END MODERATOR INFO.



soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list

Voted YES
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jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca                                     Rich Lafferty
tboul [at] escape.ca                                             Tammy Boulard
eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca                                         Hadass Eviatar
jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca                              Mike Jankulak
dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca                                       David Canzi
igor [at] Algebra.Com                                              Igor Chudov
ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com                         Jeff Winett   ChefJeff1@aol.com
desiegel [at] aol.com                                             D. E. Siegel
Fk349fj [at] aol.com                                                   Frankie
Harussell [at] aol.com                                            Hugh Russell
MeCorinne [at] aol.com                                      Corinne R. Tribley
misssway [at] aol.com                                     Jennifer A. Cummings
NinaSalk [at] aol.com                                              Nina Salkin
OnQBiz [at] aol.com                                            CHARLES SCHNALL
smastr [at] aol.com                                                Sam Masters
valeriepg [at] aol.com                                          Valerie Romano
cooterx [at] bga.com                                        George Stallsworth
verbeek [at] bigfoot.com                                          Todd VerBeek
jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                      John David Galt
mtangard [at] crl.com                                             Mark Tangard
mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com                                        Mimi Hiller
eridani [at] databasix.com                                             Belinda
gburnore [at] databasix.com                                    Gary L. Burnore
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon)
sophjxl [at] dnai.com                                             Sophie Miron
mikel [at] dosbears.com                                            Mike Lipsie
syman [at] execpc.com                                              Mark Hagner
kpascoe [at] ford.com                                             Kathy Pascoe
harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com                          Sam Hayes Merritt, III
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis (Jewell) Whalen
dilickjm [at] home.com                                             John Dilick
celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com                                      Peter Byron
danberkes [at] hotmail.com                                          Dan Berkes
vbteach [at] hotmail.com                                             S Delaney
evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com                                  Evan Kirshenbaum
wildwood [at] i-2000.com                                     Hope D. Schraeter
annie [at] interlog.com                                             Paula Taft
phloem [at] islandnet.com                                        Mike Sugimoto
ripple [at] itis.com                                              Roger Lipsey
dougob [at] javanet.com                                             D. O'Brien
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chris [at] lodesys.com                                             Chris Daley
dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com                                          Dee Jones
vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com                                    Vince Vielhaber
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
franmc [at] mindspring.com                                 Michael J. McGuigan
jermanoj [at] mindspring.com                                    John A Jermano
scarborough [at] mindspring.com                               Bill Scarborough
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com                                    Anthony J. Rzepela
bkeith [at] netcom.com                                          B. Keith Ryder
gazissax [at] netcom.com                                        Lynn Gazis-Sax
Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com                                  Laura K. Sunderlin
pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com                                         Pepper Marts
raifft [at] ix.netcom.com                                       Beth Greenfeld
valstark [at] ix.netcom.com                                      Valerie Stark
jeev [at] netcom.com                                               Ellen Evans
tittle [at] netcom.com                                      Cindy Tittle Moore
petersky [at] nwnexus.com                                      Claire Petersky
cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com                                        Cousin Karel
wbaker [at] panix.com                                              Wendy Baker
sharon [at] paonline.com                                         Sharon Odmann
rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com                                    Bob Russell
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
rhys [at] primenet.com                                              Rowan Rhys
maya [at] saipan.com                                              Maya B. Kara
evergene [at] sirius.com                                           Gene Heller
brig [at] spdcc.com                                               Brian Gollum
fj [at] spdcc.com                                            F.J. van Wingerde
ahall [at] world.std.com                                           Andrew Hall
dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff
psego [at] world.std.com                                          Phillip Sego
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                                Mark Hood
Dmckeon [at] swcp.com                                             Denis McKeon
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
daver [at] teleport.com                                         David Reynolds
joele [at] tminet.com                                             Joel Ehrlich
dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com                                           David Kaye
ssantoro [at] voicetek.com                                     Stefano Santoro
bjf [at] wavefront.com                                           Beth Friedman
davids [at] wco.com                                             Dave Schreiber
sunshine [at] westworld.com                                      Stephanie Lee
tresnick [at] women.com                                            Ted Resnick
rbparker [at] writeme.com                                           Ron Parker
barb [at] altoetting-online.de                              Dr. Barbara Heller
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                      Ekkehard Uthke
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de                                      Victor Sack
bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk                                     Niels Olof Bouvin
rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu                                         Rajwinder Singh
nmcnelly [at] bu.edu                                            N.A.F. McNelly
duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu                                   Duane T. Williams
jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu                         Jeliza Patterson
taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu                                         Todd A. Farmerie
ahaines [at] indiana.edu                                           Anne Haines
tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu                                  Tim Wilson
degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu                                  David de Graaf
em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu                                           Edward Mathews
HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU                             ROBERT S. HOLZMAN
meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU                                         meg worley
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu                                       Tane' Tachyon
nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu                                       Naomi L. Lacy
phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu                                      maxine in ri
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu                                            Tina M. Wood
rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr                             Maurice Rosenfelder
franckey [at] imaginet.fr                                     Franckey Rougane
philp [at] normandnet.fr                                                 Philp
jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                    J. Porter Clark
heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il                                         Ruth Heiges
morasca [at] elet.polimi.it                                     Sandro Morasca
cdadair1 [at] airmail.net                                        Cynthia Adair
ttyler [at] airmail.net                                        Mickael Olliver
tamale [at] aloha.net                                                 C Parras
dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net                                  Dennis Dale Calhoun
brownsta [at] concentric.net                                        Stan Brown
saiga [at] concentric.net                                   Charles L. Gifford
jrj [at] access.digex.net                                    Joseph R. Justice
geoshaw [at] earthlink.net                                      George E. Shaw
maryf [at] earthlink.net                                             Mary Frye
maxstern [at] earthlink.net                                          Max Stern
tailgate [at] earthlink.net                                        Bobbie Best
lexf [at] epix.net                                        Irene Stern Friedman
lucas [at] erie.net                                              DonPaul Lucas
tsingh [at] gte.net                                                   T. Singh
uniq97 [at] gte.net                                         Judith K. Lawrence
wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net                                     Bruce L. Mailman
bmailman [at] hooked.net                                         Brian Mailman
lanzyg [at] ibm.net                                           Garrett R. Lanzy
ganymede [at] insync.net                                     Greg R. Broderick
hartmans [at] mediaone.net                                         Kay Hartman
bpsevil [at] pacbell.net                                         Benny Sevilla
totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net                 Rodger Whitlock
mtschiffer [at] pe.net                                            m t schiffer
alexdawson [at] pemail.net                                         Alex Dawson
notime [at] pinn.net                                            Vickie Fleming
shira [at] qnis.net                                         Shira Rachel Maled
carol-arie [at] usa.net                                         CAROL PETERSON
fliegel [at] usa.net                                             Birgitta Wade
pikboca [at] webtv.net                                         Phyllis Kinsler
michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl                           Michael Nieuwenhuizen
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar
rossde [at] acm.org                                              David E. Ross
smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org                                       Stephen McNeil
mlw [at] ams.org                                                maxine wolfson
vote [at] erle.org                                                 Tobias Erle
nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org                                       Nat Makarevitch
m.russell [at] iaea.org                                         Marian Russell
ronsullivan [at] igc.org                                     Veronica Sullivan
peewee [at] scc.mi.org                                            Jason Wright
michelle [at] michelle.org                                    Michelle Steiner
denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org                                 Jay Denebeim,,,,
zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org                                  Cheryl Martin,,,,
ben [at] QueerNet.ORG                                             Ben Gardiner
leith [at] QueerNet.ORG                                              Leith Chu
rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG                                    Roger B.A. Klorese
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org                                     Jack Hamilton
andreah [at] utj.org                                            Andrea Herrera
ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk                                        Ben Evans
lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk                                 Lyn David Thomas
Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk                                            AST
brecon [at] dircon.co.uk                                         Debbie Lampon
kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us                                       Ken Fricklas
Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us                                 James Michael Hayes

Voted NO
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yan [at] storm.ca                                            Yves Bellefeuille
kimdv [at] best.com                                               Kim DeVaughn
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
eab [at] cray.com                                                   ed bertsch
lcs [at] zk3.dec.com                                               Larry Smith
bob149 [at] efortress.com                                        Bob Blanchard
tperry [at] efws.com                                                 Tom Perry
jsd [at] gamespot.com                                              Jon Drukman
jason [at] gaydeceiver.com                                       Jason Steiner
todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com                                          Todd Miller
dc [at] panix.com                                            David W. Crawford
kahuna [at] panix.com                                       Andrew Finkenstadt
llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu                                   Noel Llopis
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
vpdura [at] hiwaay.net                                                vic dura
shaneh [at] texoma.net                                           Shane Hartman
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                         Simon Lyall
john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk                                   john@blackdog

Abstained
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ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu                                   Eric Stieglitz

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davew [at] walltech.com                                           David Weigel
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strotz [at] massed.net                                             Susan Trotz
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